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mikebart101
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NiamhNyx knows exactly what I am talking about. Its so hard to be self aware of your abilities without being cocky that the only way to convey these abilities is through force.
A few weeks ago, me and one of my best friends got into a fight and it was a stalemate to say the least. This is a kid who has been banned from bars for fighting and standing up for his friends. But the next day he called me to discuss what happened, and to acknowledge the friendship we stood to lose to something so stupid.
It actually brought us closer together. The first real fight I was ever in was against my first friend I ever made. I fought him in 5th grade and I had been friends with him since pre-school. We are friends to this day because we can talk about what happened that day.
-------------------- So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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NiamhNyx
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: mikebart101]
#7593447 - 11/04/07 03:47 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think that there can be a certain kind of energy between people in a physical confrontation that is unmatched in other sorts of interaction. Powerful stuff. It's even better when you already trust and love one another and are 'fighting' for the sake of training and want to help one another become more strong and stable. I need more of the aspect in my life. I lack it in a major way. It can be incredibly fulfilling.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: mikebart101]
#7593695 - 11/04/07 08:00 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Its so hard to be self aware of your abilities without being cocky that the only way to convey these abilities is through force.
Be all that you can be dood. Amerika is doing the same thing right now. I suggest a stint in the military where we can put that cockyness into something that benefits society.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: mikebart101]
#7593828 - 11/04/07 09:08 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Ice is right. Do some time in the Army if you like to fight...I did. You might realize that much of the romanticism fades when one is in mortal fear of dying. As for myself I have started rock climbing to fulfill the very issue you are trying to address. I have found it a peaceful way to test and demonstrate ones psychological and physical abilities in a positive community oriented setting.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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mikebart101
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I do not like to fight, but I enjoy the concept of personal battle with oneself and others.
If modern warfare were still conducted using swords (no arrows even) and other close-combat weapons, would we fight as much? Or would we only pick up arms about something we truly had our hearts in?
-------------------- So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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NiamhNyx
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Recommending someone join the army to explore thier physical drives? Come on dudes. Some people have a warrior spirit, and our culture has no authentic outlet for it. The army is an authoritiarian machine designed to mold people into robot killing machines. This is not what either me or, I am assuming, mikebart are on about.
I also find it rather annoying that even though I shared an extremely personal, seminal experience of incredible spiritual profundity to make my point about the potentially positive role of fighting and physical confrontation, you guys are totally writing off what I'm saying without thought or the courtesy to consider the value of my experience. Thanks. You still have not made the effort to temporarily entertain where I'm coming from and that there might be something of substance there, something beyond machismo and dudely aggression.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: mikebart101]
#7594127 - 11/04/07 10:50 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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fighting with good friends is very therapeutic we are still animals, i think it's unhealthy to repress our aggression. for example, i think when children are young it's healthy for the older brother/sister to beat them up, to give them a release. if you don't fight for a long time, it's like you can forget how to do it, how to use your aggression effectively and such.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7594164 - 11/04/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I do understand where you are coming from and appreciate it. My replies were not directed at you. Having been a Martial Arts instructor in Seattle and practicing several fighting arts I know what you're talking about.
I just can't entertain the idea of a fight club. Having had broken bones a few times I'm very aware that fighting has a risk of injury or death. Sorry to disappoint once again.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
Edited by Icelander (11/04/07 11:34 AM)
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7594768 - 11/04/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I also find it rather annoying that even though I shared an extremely personal, seminal experience of incredible spiritual profundity to make my point about the potentially positive role of fighting and physical confrontation, you guys are totally writing off what I'm saying without thought or the courtesy to consider the value of my experience.
Come on...you know where your at...this is another sort of fight club you must realize, and we like to fight How could you ever engage in honor based single combat if you took it personally? I fully understand the drive to compete in the spirit of fellowship and to test ones self mentally and physically, but people are prone to take things entirely too personally for such conflict to ever be popular. As for myself I outgrew the need to express myself violently, though I do enjoy subjecting myself to harsh and demanding situations...on a faily regular basis.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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NiamhNyx
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This certainly is another sort of fight club. Wouldn't it just be so much easier that instead of all this squabbling over ideas and definitions we just went out back and took pot shots at each other? On second thought, I'd probably lose... my incredible wit packs a much bigger punch than my fist. Alas, I'm genetically doomed to being scrawny and soft.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7594910 - 11/04/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Don't fuck with Hue, he's a big boy and fucking strong. (but not that smart)(don't tell him I said that)
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: Icelander]
#7594977 - 11/04/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I have transcended smart.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Jack Albertson
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: Icelander]
#7595694 - 11/04/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Icelander said: Its so hard to be self aware of your abilities without being cocky that the only way to convey these abilities is through force.
Be all that you can be dood. Amerika is doing the same thing right now. I suggest a stint in the military where we can put that cockyness into something that benefits society.
who's society?
-------------------- Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time TRANSCEND
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NiamhNyx
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Huehuecoyotl said: I have transcended smart.
Who needs brains when they can boast the kind of brawn you've got?
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7597369 - 11/05/07 04:28 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Well, I got about 25 more pounds of "brawn" to lose. Between the rocks and the running it should be easy.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: mikebart101]
#7597439 - 11/05/07 05:53 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm, although never been in a fight myself, I feel I understand where you are coming from. However, I'm thinking the bonding and the kind of catharsis that occurs here has more to do with the mutual sharing of an intense and primal experience, with the actual physiological/physical aspects as a strong, but lesser in degree enforcer.
In this way, I can think of many different ways to experience similar results such as the sharing of an intense psychedelic experience, a lengthy trip around the globe, a really good concert/playing music together, sex lol, etc.
I don't know, like I said I've never been in a fight so I'm missing the important experiential aspect of what you speak of, but in theory I feel I have had similar experiences with others, but chanelled and experienced in different ways.
But hey, if it works for you and whoever else and it's done and resulted in love, rather than a position of hate and ego, then I don't see anything wrong with it myself.
-------------------- "We contemplate the same stars, the Heavens are common to us all, and the same world surrounds us. What matters the path of wisdom by which each person seeks the truth? One cannot reach such a great mystery by a single path." - Symmachus, challenging the violent persecution of pagans by Catholic Roman emperor Theodosius I "When you look at yourself from a universal standpoint, something inside always reminds or informs you that there are bigger and better things to worry about." -Einstein
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: OMniversal]
#7597461 - 11/05/07 06:12 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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Good post.
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ts727 said:
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Icelander said: Its so hard to be self aware of your abilities without being cocky that the only way to convey these abilities is through force.
Be all that you can be dood. Amerika is doing the same thing right now. I suggest a stint in the military where we can put that cockyness into something that benefits society.
who's society?
That was me being sarcastic.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Huehuecoyotl
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I'm society.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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MushmanTheManic
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7601137 - 11/06/07 12:17 AM (16 years, 5 months ago) |
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I'm not talking about trolling around downtown on friday night looking for a brawl. I'm talking about something much different.
If your life is not in danger, its not a fight.
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