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Offlinea_wolly
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First picking and ID Request
    #7599562 - 11/05/07 06:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hi, I went picking the other day with some friends. This is what we came back with. I'm wondering if anyone can help ID any of the following, since we're total noobs at this picking lark :smirk:

All of the shrooms were picked in the same grazing field in the West Midlands, England. There were 8 species in total (though some look very similar, such as #2 and #3 in this ID request) but I can't post them all up tonight 'cos of my picture upload limit. So I've chosen the ones which produced coloured spore prints. Thanks!


Species #1





Habitat: Found under trees in damp earth in a large group.

Gills: Unattached, closely packed and shallow against cap. Black.

Stem: White/grey, about 0.5cm at cap and widening to 1cm at base. Fairly robust and straight.

Cap: Grey/brown, fading to black/brown at edges. Ridged. Easily torn along ridges and flakey. 3.5cm wide.

Spore Print: Black/brown. Unfortunately a maggot chopped it down during the print process so it was a much in the morning.

Bruising: No bruising observed.

Notes: I suspect this is just a LBM...?


Species #2







Habitat: Found in damp grazing grass a few feet from fencing.

Gills: Unattached, fine and delicate. Grey/black.

Stem: White, about 1/2cm wide at cap, widening very slightly towards base. Slightly furry. A good 6x longer than cap width.

Cap: Beigey red/brown, fading to dull grey white edges. Smooth. Slight convex peak where stem joins cap. Maluable. 2.5cm.

Spore Print: Very very feint purple off-white.

Bruising: No bruising observed.


Species #3







Habitat: Found in damp grazing grass near fencing.

Gills: Unattached, fine and delicate. Black.

Stem: Black with faded brown, about 0.25cm wide at cap, staying regular along its length. Limp but supportive and straight. Long.

Cap: Red/brown, fading to beige with purpley/grey (bruising?) edges. dull grey white edges. Smooth. Very slight convex peak where stem joins cap. 1.8cm.

Spore Print: Very dark brown/black.

Bruising: Greyish purple/brown around cap edge?


Many thanks for any suggestions. I'll try putting some of the others up later in the week (- all other spore prints were either white or non-visible so thought these may be the most obvious). I've got more general pics of the collection too that I may post. Happy days!


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OfflineAlan RockefellerM
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Re: First picking and ID Request [Re: a_wolly]
    #7599637 - 11/05/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

1) Coprinopsis atramentaria
2) Psathyrella sp.
3) Panaeolus sp.


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Re: First picking and ID Request [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7599647 - 11/05/07 06:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i second that motion sweet.....


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Offlinea_wolly
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Re: First picking and ID Request [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7599851 - 11/05/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Brilliant! Thanks guys for the rapid response :grin:

So, from a little research I gather than the first will either make me some cheap ink, give me testicular legions if I were a mouse, or make me very ill when drinking alcohol.

The latter, however, are both 'active' and #3 (Panaeolus sp.) probably isn't edible due to it's dark spore print; as outlined in the Genus Psilocybe description on the Psychoactive Mushroom FAQ. I find this a little confusing though because in the Genus Panaeolus description there's mention of dark spore prints without any known dangers.

I presume the light spore print of #2 (Psathyrella sp.) suggests it not to be of the dangerous dark-spored genera and therefore an edible specimen of the Genus Psilocybe?

Wow, I can't help but feel I've just got that analysis horribly wrong :tongue:


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Re: First picking and ID Request [Re: a_wolly]
    #7599876 - 11/05/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> Brilliant! Thanks guys for the rapid response :grin:

No problem.  We are from the government.  We are here to help.

> So, from a little research I gather than the first will either make me some cheap ink, give me testicular legions if I were a mouse, or make me very ill when drinking alcohol.

Exactly.

> The latter, however, are both 'active'

No.  #2 is inactive.  #3 may or may not be active.

>  and #3 (Panaeolus sp.) probably isn't edible due to it's dark spore print;

The opposite is true - Mushrooms with very dark spore prints tend to be more edible.

All Panaeolus species have jet black spore prints.  No mushrooms with jet black spores are poisonous, except for Coprinopsis atramentaria. 

>  as outlined in the Genus Psilocybe description on the Psychoactive Mushroom FAQ. I find this a little confusing though because in the Genus Panaeolus description there's mention of dark spore prints without any known dangers.

No members of Panaeolus are known to be toxic.

> I presume the light spore print of #2 (Psathyrella sp.) suggests it not to be of the dangerous dark-spored genera and therefore an edible specimen of the Genus Psilocybe?

It is not in the genus Psilocybe, it is in the genus Psathyrella.  I don't know of anything poisonous or active in Psathyrella.

> Wow, I can't help but feel I've just got that analysis horribly wrong :tongue:

You are 99% there.  Try your analysis again keeping in mind the things I have told you.


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Re: First picking and ID Request [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
    #7600411 - 11/05/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Alan Rockefeller said:
> Brilliant! Thanks guys for the rapid response :grin:

No problem.  We are from the government.  We are here to help.

> So, from a little research I gather than the first will either make me some cheap ink, give me testicular legions if I were a mouse, or make me very ill when drinking alcohol.

Exactly.
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Offlinea_wolly
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Re: First picking and ID Request [Re: cactu]
    #9136815 - 10/26/08 01:54 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Hi Again. A year on and I went back to the same spot today to grab some more. There was little need for me to post further pics of last year's find, since you kindly ID'ed the lib caps in the batch at the time. (I didn't end up having any libs in the batch from last year, since they perished during my mass spore-print session :-( ).

Unfortunately the pickings this time were dreadful (- either others got there beforehand, or the season's not quite hit the area yet due to the mild Autumn we're having). The only shrooms I could find that seemed to be of any substance were these (below). I'm currently doing a spore print and storing the rest, just in case they're positive ;-)

All the shrooms are seemingly of the same species, all found next to each other in a grazing field around clumps of wet long grass.

Species #1







Habitat: Grazing field, in and around damp long grass.

Gills: Unattached, fine and delicate. Black.

Stem: Dark brown/black, about 0.2cm wide at cap, staying regular along its length. Limp but supportive and relatively straight. Long. After an hour drying at room temperature, the stems have turned dark grey/light brown.

Cap: Chocolate brown in colour and slimy-looking at the tip when picked. The cap has turned pale grey with red'ish tip whilst drying at room temperature over 1 hour.

Bruising: None at first but as they've been drying slowly, the cap is starting to turn brown'ish around the rim (- this just seems like the dampness drying up though).

...And here's a pic of them after an hour of so of drying at room temperature (as referenced above).






They're currently in an air-tight container, wrapped in absorbent kitchen towel and sat near a radiator in the dark. No doubt this is probably the worst way to dry them :-| but I'm not sure I have the resources to do anything else (other than put them in the oven but I'm guessing that's not a good idea either :-P

Thanks again for any info given. If these are positive, then I'll actually take them this time... fingers crossed ;-)


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Re: First picking and ID Request [Re: a_wolly]
    #9136844 - 10/26/08 01:59 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Don't waste your time drying those - none of them look like libs or even actives.


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Re: First picking and ID Request [Re: Sand_Storm]
    #9136926 - 10/26/08 02:20 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

lol


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Re: First picking and ID Request [Re: Togman]
    #9137149 - 10/26/08 03:15 PM (15 years, 3 months ago)

Panaeolus sp. Too underexposed to make out what they are exactly, but there's always a slim chance they're pan. subbs. However, I'd go out and look for libs in any case.


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