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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7599078 - 11/05/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Carbohydrates are the only macro nutrient that most humans can survive perfectly without.





So I guess Ketone Toxicity doesn't exist huh.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7599080 - 11/05/07 04:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Nerd...





Armchair researcher...


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7599117 - 11/05/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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PyroBurns said:
Carbohydrates are the only macro nutrient that most humans can survive perfectly without.





So I guess Ketone Toxicity doesn't exist huh.




He means grains, I think, as carbs are even in non-starchy vegetables. The point is that you only need the carbs in non-starchy vegetables; grains are like sugar.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7599155 - 11/05/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Carbohydrates are the only macro nutrient that most humans can survive perfectly without.





So I guess Ketone Toxicity doesn't exist huh.




Only if you are diabetic. Or if you choose not to urinate for some reason. I am running on ketones right now, and am doing much better than when on glucose.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7599184 - 11/05/07 04:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ONLY if you are diabetic??????


Wow...


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: LiquidSmoke]
    #7599195 - 11/05/07 04:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Only diabetics experience ketoacidosis, which is what you are referring to.

Look it up.

Why would the human body poison itself it if ran off of fat, which is what it did for thousands of years? Agriculture is fairly new. Meat is not.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7599220 - 11/05/07 04:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You can't live on meat. Owsley Stanley "The Bear" had that theory and he's in poor health (though not as poor as your average victim of modern diet in a nursing home, I don't think) Vegetables have also been around since the dawn of time.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7599242 - 11/05/07 04:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Does he exercise? Does he eat vegetables? Does he get enough fat? What's his family history like?


Vegetables ARE good sources of vitamins and minerals. I personally stay away from the starchier ones.

One could assume that early humans also ate them, but it probably was infrequent, and not as conventional as we eat them today.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7599254 - 11/05/07 04:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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One could assume that early humans also ate them, but it probably was infrequent, and not as conventional as we eat them today.




I heard that the idea that primitive man was a big hunter is largely glamorized. Apparantly they hunted a little, but were actually more often the hunted. Apprantly primitive man's diet consisted mainly of fruits, vegetables (especially the leafy ones), and nuts. The source of this information is a vegan thing, but you can't just dismiss it because of that.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: kotik]
    #7599269 - 11/05/07 04:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That still doesn't specify if that kind of living was optimal or not. And it still is similar to a high fat diet with leafy veggies (sans the fruit). Nuts have a high fat content.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7599279 - 11/05/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I agree with you about grains being completely unnecessary.

Fruit has unique phytonutrients that vegetables don't contain, though. Sheesh, the body was meant to handle some sugar. :laugh:


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7599303 - 11/05/07 05:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

But not depend on it. Nowadays we can supplement with vitamins and skip all of the sugars in fruit. Or figure out how to moderate fruit into our diet.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7599346 - 11/05/07 05:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Nowadays we can supplement with vitamins and skip all of the sugars in fruit.




I said fruit contains unique phytochemicals. The idea that all you need is what's in a multi-vitamin is a thing of the past. Foods contain all different kinds of phytochemicals a.k.a phytonutrients a.k.a. micronutrients, more and more of which are being discovered as time progresses.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7599362 - 11/05/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Sugar like white refined sugar isn't healthy in large amounts. But sugars themselves are simpler forms of carbohydrates that are easily broken down into energy. Sure sugar's bad if you sit around and don't do anything (like those lardasses).

A well balanced diet with the proper amount of sugars, fats, protein, carbohydrates, etc. as well as being active is fine.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7599363 - 11/05/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I would like to see how vital they are.

Still I don't think it's completely necessary to 100% drop fruit.

Personally, I highly limit it to maybe a few berries during the week. Then I can have whatever fruit I want on the weekend. It's just IMO that the more time spent in keto, the better.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7599418 - 11/05/07 05:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I would like to see how vital they are.




Lots of scientists agree that antioxidants, for one, are very vital :smirk:


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7599450 - 11/05/07 05:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah well we can get various ones from many many places.

Berries are jam packed with them, there's green tea, there's seaweed, etc..


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: PyroBurns]
    #7599458 - 11/05/07 05:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Berries are jam packed with them




Right, I said "fruits contain unique phytonutrients"; berries are at the top of my list.


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Re: How bad is sugar? [Re: JunkFood]
    #7599498 - 11/05/07 06:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

See, people can still implement anti-oxidants into their diet without having to have fruitishly fruit. And there are even other choices.


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Edited by PyroBurns (11/05/07 06:02 PM)


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