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HerbBaker



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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: fliped]
#9478433 - 12/22/08 01:57 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I figured this would be a good place to put this. hard to believe, but this thread was my first post at the Shoomery.. You've come a long way babeo 
(ANE) baeocystis (9.2)10 - 13(14.6) x 5.7 - 7.3(9.7) (PNW) baeocystis (8.5)9.5 - 13.7(17) x (5)5.5 - 6.6(7.1) Heim 1966 baeo 11.6 - 13.3(16.6x 6.8 - 7.6(10.8) P. aztecorum (10.4)12 - 14.0(17) x (6)6.6 - 7.7(8.8) var. bonetti (9)10 - 13.0(14)x 6.0 - 7.5(8.0)
Combined (8.5)9.5 - 14.0(17) x (5)5.5 - 7.7(10.8)
The only thing that has kept Psilocybe aztecorum var. bonetti seperate from P. aztecorum in tha past is the spore size, they are macroscopically indistinguishable from one another.
Compared to Roger Heim's 1966 British Columbia collection info, the Atlantic Northeast(ANE) species is well within the range of Pacific Northwest(PNW) Psilocybe baeocystis. At the same time, this info also puts P. aztecorum var. bonetti within these updated spore dimensions!
The large variance in spore size with this species, can likely be attributed to the varying number of sterigmata on the basidium. 1, 2 and 3-spored basidia will produce larger spores on average than 4-spored basidia.
Psilocybe aztecorum (Mexico)

Psilocybe baeocystis (PNW)

Psilocybe baeocystis (ANE)Atlantic Northeast

Psilocybe baeocystis (PNW)

Psilocybe aztecorum (Mexico)

This information helps confirm that they are all one species. Psilocybe baeocystis 1945 A breeding study should confirm this.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#9478501 - 12/22/08 02:10 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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WOW! that's all I can say.......
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: psilophile82]
#9478727 - 12/22/08 03:02 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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This has been one of my favorite threads since I got here. Awesome! Don't have a cookie...how about a shroom!
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: Bobzimmer]
#9479203 - 12/22/08 04:56 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Bobzimmer said: This has been one of my favorite threads since I got here. Awesome! Don't have a cookie...how about a shroom!
NO A COOKIE, ITS CHRISTMAS GET IN THE SPIRIT MAN
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HerbBaker



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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: weiliiiiiii]
#9479283 - 12/22/08 05:18 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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mmmmm mushroom cookies.

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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#9479393 - 12/22/08 05:38 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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now thats what im talking about
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#9480002 - 12/22/08 08:01 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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This information helps confirm that they are all one species.
Depending on where one draws the line. I'm not a splitter or a lumper; I'm a splumper. Morphologically, yes, they seem like they might be the same species.
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A breeding study should confirm this.
Then, and only then, will be know for sure if you're a BCS person.
Nice work on the thread. I'd say you've come a long way. Then again, how would I know? Maybe you were always this good.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: Mr. Mushrooms]
#9482837 - 12/23/08 11:49 AM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks senor, i now know what serendipity feels like.
Although P. baeocystis was fist discovered in 1945, it wasnt published till 1958, a year later than P. aztecorum.
Thanks for confirming that for me Alan.
P. aztecorum in Maine, indeed.
Flesh of the Gods.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#9483120 - 12/23/08 12:44 PM (15 years, 1 month ago) |
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I know we don't use common names when deciding "official" names, but if my memory of history serves me right, Teonanacatl was the first published name.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#9560031 - 01/06/09 07:56 PM (15 years, 25 days ago) |
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This is just AWESOME! Flesh of the gods in Maine! I am in New Hampshire, will keep an eye out next fall!
How did your propagation trial go?
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: Dreamster1]
#9569428 - 01/08/09 07:42 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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yeah how did your propogation work out? And workman did you get anything going? Would love to see some more of those guys. Was that one flush all you found there warrior?
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: phishhead]
#9569961 - 01/08/09 10:18 AM (15 years, 23 days ago) |
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Unfortunately I haven't gotten to it yet, but its on my list. I am hoping to start several temperate species in the next few weeks as time allows. I'll make entries into my journal as things progress.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: Workman]
#9758903 - 02/08/09 05:07 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is what is published by Guzman in the description of P. baeocystis in the Genus Psilocybe. (1983)
"The main difference seems to be geographical distribution. Maybe, P. baeocystis is a merely synonymous of P. aztecorum"
Hopefully Cactu will have some luck finding some specimens of aztecorum.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#9760770 - 02/08/09 02:57 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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were any more examples found this past fall?
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inski
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#9762141 - 02/08/09 07:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hi warriorsoul, I was just wondering, is the mycelium from your mushrooms similar to this?
 This is a multi spore inoculation on a mixture of sterilized sawdust and rye grass seed from this collectionSect. Aztecorum. inski.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: inski]
#9781165 - 02/11/09 09:24 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Inski, Those pictures look very similar to my current baeocystis culture on barley grain.
The Maine collection resembles my baeo finds very closely.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#9781324 - 02/11/09 09:49 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hmm, interesting! Does the mycelium change as it grows from finely linear to slightly rhizomorphic? I will make some new pictures soon, this mycelium is extremely fast growing, the container is 250ml and it is 80% colonised after 11 days at around 26 degrees celsius! I do suspect this species to be closely related to Psilocybe baeocystis. It would be good to see your culture for comparison, how fast is it growing on barley and at what temperatures. I forgot to mention the sawdust used is aged Pinus radiata soaked over night then rinsed off with hot water, mixed in a 4-1 ratio with soaked rye grass seed, there's a pinch of calcium carbonate added also. inski.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: inski]
#9781839 - 02/11/09 11:05 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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My baeo culture seemed to do fine on malt agar but it slowed down when it was placed into the barley. I keep all my colonizing jars at room temp (about 70f).
So far the growth is linear only. I'll take pics of mine in a week once the mycelium has spread out enough to show its growth pattern.
The aged Pinus wood you are using is a good idea. I've noticed that baeos don't growing from fresh wood. They tend to like the older decayed wood. I've been thinking of trying a grass seed and composted douglas fir sawdust mix.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: BlimeyGrimey]
#9781899 - 02/11/09 11:12 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yes, this species also prefers decomposed wood, I don't know what made me experiment with the rye grass seed mixture, I have made a post in Mushroom grow logs and pictures with some images! inski.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: inski]
#9789491 - 02/13/09 08:13 AM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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