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fliped
The Lost One



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Damn subbed!!! I am jealous...lol its starting to warm up a little bit up here hoping to see some subbs poppin up before too long... Well i am lookin forward to see the pics man....
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eutebius



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Yessir. I hear your skepticism, and I share it, as I'd ruled out cow pastures as a place to go foraging for mushrooms in general. Then, at a barbeque near the beginning of summer, I was talking with another local writer and a biology professor, and the both agreed with flippant grins that, "oh yea, they pop up on patties around the beginning of July, especially with rain." ...I was suprised and doubtful, but a few months later when I was riding with a few other guys, skirting a pasture, I saw pale splotches on patties in the distance. I would've investigated then, but one of my riding buddies was a straight colleague, and, you know. More to the point, I went back a few days later and found about a dozen fairly dried specimens that had pale blue at the stem base; but I didn't have a microscope, and without a positive fresh ID I didn't want to risk anything. Then, after the next rain, I returned to the field and found about a dozen, most with caps about 3-5 inches--enough to fill up my Camelback without getting obliterated. Spore prints were purplish-brown, and there was lots of blueing from the transport. The, er, "bioassay" was positive, though weak at 20g fresh. For whatever reason, they were positively potent at ~3.5 dry (probably because I ate more [grin]).
Considering this, the main lesson I (again) learned was that mushrooms are very adaptive. As any cultivator knows, mycellium suprise you, and will resurge or stall away without warning. Of course, an ecosystem is the best cultivator.
On,
EB
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fliped
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: eutebius]
#8187405 - 03/24/08 01:47 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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well seeing how Psilocybe cubensis does not naturally grow out of the tropical climates i would have to say someone had to introduce the mycelium to the field for it to grow one summer... This would have to be repeated every year for them to keep growing and for it to take hold over a whole pasture would be a very large outdoor grow... Well if what you say is true i would love to see pictures..
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eutebius



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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: fliped]
#8187957 - 03/24/08 04:12 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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fliped, I agree--it seemed odd to me too when these older guys told me. One of them is a well-known non-fiction writer from that area--mostly labeled as a "nature writer"--and he said that he'd seen them while growing up there; the biologist laughed and said students often commented on "field trips". So, it just seemed like another instance in which field guides (like Audubon, which is a great guide) report dated consensus information, rather than taking new survey info from reliable sources, like university departments. I'm a rookie when it comes to most psychoactive species, but a cubensis find in ME makes sense if: 1)spores can freeze and thaw unharmed; 2) the right conditions for fruiting arise. Of course, a recent sample given due microscopy would seal it. Any Mainers out there willing to do the field work come August? PM me if you got the wild hare.
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: eutebius]
#8189807 - 03/24/08 11:31 PM (15 years, 10 months ago) |
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That is damn interesting. i got relatives in maine out in the boonies. I better take a fishing trip reeealll soon.
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HerbBaker



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I was just talking to a prominent mycologist that said baeocystis has been found in Connecticut also.
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CureCat
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#8440037 - 05/24/08 12:09 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Who dat??
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negrodamus
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: CureCat]
#8443379 - 05/25/08 12:03 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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those things are crazy man. hell of a find. how cold was it when you found these? maine in november, damn.........
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#8444418 - 05/25/08 06:40 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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warriorsoul said: I was just talking to a prominent mycologist that said baeocystis has been found in Connecticut also.
Connecticut? Really? Wow, very cool... 
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HerbBaker



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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: negrodamus]
#8446179 - 05/26/08 08:27 AM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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negrodamus said: those things are crazy man. hell of a find. how cold was it when you found these? maine in november, damn.........
I think it was in the mid to upper 30's at night, but we had some unusually warm weather the week before. Anyone know of a site to get old weather info?
I'm still waiting to here back from the mycologist i spoke with and i'm hesitant about saying his name until he gets back to me. I'm waiting to find out if there are any herbarium deposits made and and other details of the find.
If i had to make a case for it being a new species i would point out the difference in macro and the size difference in the spores. If Guzman separates subcubensis from cubensis by just the spore size, then a good case could be made here.
Psilocybe baeocystis already covers a wide size range, so to see a similiar type with even larger spore is curious, the spores of this eastern type aren't just bigger they are disproportionately wider compared to the length. this makes the shape different not just the overall size.
Also they did not blue when handled, baeos blue intensely within minutes.
The blue caps is what i first noticed when i found them, but it never increased from handling.
How does subbaeocystis sound?
Edited by HerbBaker (05/26/08 08:54 AM)
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HerbBaker



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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#8455365 - 05/28/08 01:24 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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this was the response i got from Paul Stamets office.. Kinda lame..
Please read the statement from Paul below. Sorry I can't b of more help on your inquiry. I signed a company contract that prohibits me from addressing this kind of inquiry.. Jim Gouin Fungi Perfecti LLC Thank you for writing. Unfortunately, your request concerns a subject of great legal sensitivity. For our international customers or anyone who may not be aware of it, the cultivation or possession of mushrooms containing psilocybin or psilocin is illegal in the United States. Fungi Perfecti does not sell spores or cultures of any psychoactive mushroom, even though laws concerning these mushrooms may be more lenient in your locale. We can not answer any questions on the cultivation of Psilocybe or any mushroom containing psilocybin, psilocin or any other psychoactive compound. My employees sign contracts at the time of employment which state they will be fired (and have been!) for merely a suggestion on the manner of cultivation of these illegal mushrooms. My employees are not being rude; they are simply following strict company policy. They are doing their job. My work with Psilocybe mushrooms was covered under a Drug Enforcement Administration license. I have published new species in the scientific literature which legitimizes my research. Our business services the gourmet & medicinal mushroom market, a market which I believe is far more lucrative and important. Occasionally, those with Drug Enforcement Administration Licenses call me concerning availability of spores or cultures. I can make referrals to these individuals, only if they provide me with their DEA PBO license. Otherwise, on the advice of counsel, my hands are tied. Thank you for contacting us; I hope you will respect our position. Paul Stamets
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#8455484 - 05/28/08 01:56 PM (15 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anyone know of a site to get old weather info?
http://weather.com shows the previous months recorded weather including how much precipitation fell, this months weather, and next months average weather. It also has live doppler radar maps so you can see exactly which areas are cloudy at any particular time.
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Subbedhunter420
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Well paul stamets is a big figure in the mycological community. Im sure he wouldnt risk his credentials or license for these things. Too bad tho. Government and religion always gets in the way of scientific inquiry.
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HerbBaker



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The mycelium is very thin. I thought i had a contam for while doing the agar work, but after repeatably getting the same fuzz from the spores, i'm convinced this is how it is suppose to look.
Should have some good pics and prints this fall.

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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#8506433 - 06/10/08 06:57 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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do you know what type of wood chips they grow on?
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Mr. Mushrooms
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#8506444 - 06/10/08 07:08 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Good work! And GREAT thread!
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HerbBaker



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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#8506609 - 06/10/08 09:05 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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My work with Psilocybe mushrooms was covered under a Drug Enforcement Administration license. I have published new species in the scientific literature which legitimizes my research. Paul Stamets
So if someone can get a new species published it will legitimize the research.. seems like a catch twenty-two. Does one get the DEA license before or after? anyone have info on how this works?
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fliped
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#8506997 - 06/10/08 11:09 AM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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warriorsoul said: The mycelium is very thin. I thought i had a contam for while doing the agar work, but after repeatably getting the same fuzz from the spores, i'm convinced this is how it is suppose to look.
Should have some good pics and prints this fall.

hmmm, they look alot like the psilocybe beaocytis i pick in WA.

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HerbBaker



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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: fliped]
#8507281 - 06/10/08 12:47 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice pics, they certainly do look the same.
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fliped
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Re: Psilocybe aztecorum in Maine? [Re: HerbBaker]
#8507301 - 06/10/08 12:55 PM (15 years, 7 months ago) |
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it could be something else since i have never heard of them growing in Maine... but we have about the same climate from WA to Maine... seems posible to me
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