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sketchydelux
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growroom fire prevention
#7597988 - 11/05/07 10:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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a occurance that happened in my neck of the woods has left me worried about this.
how would someone cheaply and inexpensively employ a automated fire extinguishing system?
fire alarms are good and dandy but what happens when you are NOT around?
i have seen fire supression systems for racecars ($200-500) but these are actuated usually by a cable or a switch. how could i get one to work autonomously in a cab?
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: sketchydelux]
#7598049 - 11/05/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would think it'd be pretty easy to find something pre-made to do this.
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kidaihuan
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Maybe you could just post up and lay down materials that won't burn, or have a moat... But as long as your electricity is professional and not something you fixed up with little knowledge, you should be fine. Could always wrap your cables and lamps in some non-flammable material too... Might help.
I'm avoiding saying that you should rig up some sort of smoke detector/thermometer enabled fire extinguisher, primarily because I can predict it screwing up (like most smoke detectors do) once in a while and blasting all your plants with whatever they put in fire extinguishers.
Or, cover the floor with baking soda, and put bags of vinegar hanging above in the air (BUT NOT OVER ELECTRICAL THINGS) and then if a fire happened, the bags would melt, down goes the vinegar onto the baking soda, and INSTANT FIRE EXTINGUISHER!
Really though, don't do the last one. That's asking for problems, and it just wouldn't work. I'm just trying to be creative. It's 2am... and I'm going to make hot chocolate with hash, to get more creative. Right now.
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: kidaihuan]
#7598101 - 11/05/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So tell me about China.
Is the herb prevalent?
I'm interested.
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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So tell me about private messages.
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Actually, I'm interested as well.
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monstermitch
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most every single commercial building and/or large apartment building has fire suppression systems.
sprinkler systems.
if you can handle basic plumbing, you can install one.
I believe that every residential home should have one, my home has one.
F. the fire department. they'll charge you a bunch of money, ruin your home with their water damage, and bust whatever you have going on there. if you can have your sprinklers put out the fire before the neighbors even notice, problem solved.
clean up a slight amount of water damage and back to business.
this whole, "let it burn then call the fire department" thing is bullshit. that's how many folk go down.
what's so hard about sprinkler systems anyway?
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most things would probably be expensive, but I'm sure most fires are caused by ghetto electric and poor ventillation w/ flamables close to lamps, et cet.
If you wanted to go all out, why not get a nitrogen or CO2 tank with electronic regulator set to open when curent is applied. Then get an 8$ thermostat wired to the thing and some batteries. When temp gets above thermostat setting, the gas opens, extinguishing fire. You'd probably have to rig up this to any ventillation too to prevent the gas from being ventilated.
Would work if you can get a thermostat w/ high enough setting
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: monstermitch]
#7598866 - 11/05/07 03:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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kidaihuan said: Maybe you could just post up and lay down materials that won't burn, or have a moat... But as long as your electricity is professional and not something you fixed up with little knowledge, you should be fine. Could always wrap your cables and lamps in some non-flammable material too... Might help.
why the fuck would you wrap something around your lamp. i think growroom fires typically happen when a canopy is wrapped around a lamp
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kidaihuan said:I'm avoiding saying that you should rig up some sort of smoke detector/thermometer enabled fire extinguisher, primarily because I can predict it screwing up (like most smoke detectors do) once in a while and blasting all your plants with whatever they put in fire extinguishers.
the fire suppression systems in racecars use co2 or halon wouldnt ruin nothing.
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kidaihuan said:Or, cover the floor with baking soda, and put bags of vinegar hanging above in the air (BUT NOT OVER ELECTRICAL THINGS) and then if a fire happened, the bags would melt, down goes the vinegar onto the baking soda, and INSTANT FIRE EXTINGUISHER!
i would like there to be a serious "note" to this thread
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monstermitch said:that's how many folk go down.
what's so hard about sprinkler systems anyway?
yeh, i know. i heard that there are specialized contractors for this, and like most thing construction wise everything must be to "code"
im sure its not difficult im just looking for first hand insight/experiance the shroomery is a large community
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: johnm214]
#7601444 - 11/06/07 05:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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> but I'm sure most fires are caused by ghetto electric > why not get a nitrogen or CO2 tank with electronic regulator set to open when current is applied.
Those two don't add up well... bad electrical leads to fire that burns through electrical system leading to failure of fire suppression system.
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: monstermitch]
#7601679 - 11/06/07 08:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can you enlighten us? What sets off the sprinklers in a fire supp system?
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Madtowntripper
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: YidakiMan]
#7601823 - 11/06/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was under the impression it was a switch involving some alloy metal with a low melting temp, so that an irregularly high heat would melt this metal and trip the switch.
But maybe this is just the old way it was done?
-------------------- After one comes, through contact with it's administrators, no longer to cherish greatly the law as a remedy in abuses, then the bottle becomes a sovereign means of direct action. If you cannot throw it at least you can always drink out of it. - Ernest Hemingway If it is life that you feel you are missing I can tell you where to find it. In the law courts, in business, in government. There is nothing occurring in the streets. Nothing but a dumbshow composed of the helpless and the impotent. -Cormac MacCarthy He who learns must suffer. And even in our sleep pain that cannot forget falls drop by drop upon the heart, and in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom to us by the awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: Seuss]
#7601839 - 11/06/07 09:49 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Seuss said: > but I'm sure most fires are caused by ghetto electric > why not get a nitrogen or CO2 tank with electronic regulator set to open when current is applied.
Those two don't add up well... bad electrical leads to fire that burns through electrical system leading to failure of fire suppression system.
Yeah, what I was refering to was a system set up like a thermostat. A small power line (24 volt, small amp) runs the open circuit, when closed the system activates the electric regulator which can be powered by a supplemental power device, like a car battery. As the thermostat draws no power untill activated, and the regulator only has to operate once for a few seconds, it'd be easy to get enough battery power to handle the situation
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: sketchydelux]
#7602388 - 11/06/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sketchydelux said: yeh, i know. i heard that there are specialized contractors for this, and like most thing construction wise everything must be to "code"
im sure its not difficult im just looking for first hand insight/experiance the shroomery is a large community
yes, there are specialized contractors. my comments are first hand, they are from personal experience. it'll cost you about $3,000 on average to have one installed. there's many towns and states that make it mandatory for all new residential construction to have them installed. that's for the whole home of course, professionally istalled. but you can do it yourself if you're handy.
an average fire department visit will pump about 15,000 gallons of water into your home. an average response from a home sprinkler system will pump about 800 gallons of water directly onto the fire. huge, huge difference.
plus there's no strangers romping through your private home. finding things they shouldn't...
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YidakiMan said: Can you enlighten us? What sets off the sprinklers in a fire supp system?
they work by... hell just read this pdf.
there really is no better option for you in a residence. all the rest of the ideas here suck. sorry to those of you that stated them, but come on... they suck.
we're talking your life here. your home, everything. ghetto rigging some stupid bullshit or playing with chemicals is not the way to go. using what's been proven to work thousands of times at least is really your best option.
but of course this is simply my opinion.
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: monstermitch]
#7603070 - 11/06/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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OK, it seems like you guys are overcomplicating things. All a fire suppression system entails is a sprinkler connected to a water line.
The sprinkler is mounted overhead and when the temperature exceeds a certain point it opens the valve and sprays out water. The system is amazingly simple. To construct one all you need is to run a water pipe, PVC, or flexible hoses to a sprinkler head. That's it done deal!
Look on ebay, you'll find "sprinkler heads" for dirt cheap. If you're handy with plumbing or construction you might even be able to do the whole system for $20-30.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_sprinkler
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: fastfred]
#7603190 - 11/06/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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fastfred said: OK, it seems like you guys are overcomplicating things. All a fire suppression system entails is a sprinkler connected to a water line.
The sprinkler is mounted overhead and when the temperature exceeds a certain point it opens the valve and sprays out water. The system is amazingly simple. To construct one all you need is to run a water pipe, PVC, or flexible hoses to a sprinkler head. That's it done deal!
Look on ebay, you'll find "sprinkler heads" for dirt cheap. If you're handy with plumbing or construction you might even be able to do the whole system for $20-30.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_sprinkler
-FF
thank you very much. that is exactly my point. every home should have such system.
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: fastfred]
#7603725 - 11/06/07 05:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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fastfred said: OK, it seems like you guys are overcomplicating things. All a fire suppression system entails is a sprinkler connected to a water line.
The sprinkler is mounted overhead and when the temperature exceeds a certain point it opens the valve and sprays out water. The system is amazingly simple. To construct one all you need is to run a water pipe, PVC, or flexible hoses to a sprinkler head. That's it done deal!
Look on ebay, you'll find "sprinkler heads" for dirt cheap. If you're handy with plumbing or construction you might even be able to do the whole system for $20-30.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_sprinkler
bah...
yeah I guess that would be a better deal
I still like my uber complicated battery powered inert gas system 
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: johnm214]
#7609823 - 11/08/07 02:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Personally I'd just go the extra mile and replace your HPS bulbs with a digital/LED substitute. No power signature, and no reason to expect your home/livelihood/whatever will self-ignite.
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: fastfred]
#7610141 - 11/08/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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fastfred said: OK, it seems like you guys are overcomplicating things. All a fire suppression system entails is a sprinkler connected to a water line.
The sprinkler is mounted overhead and when the temperature exceeds a certain point it opens the valve and sprays out water. The system is amazingly simple. To construct one all you need is to run a water pipe, PVC, or flexible hoses to a sprinkler head. That's it done deal!
Look on ebay, you'll find "sprinkler heads" for dirt cheap. If you're handy with plumbing or construction you might even be able to do the whole system for $20-30.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_sprinkler
-FF

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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: sketchydelux]
#7615759 - 11/09/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh noes! Fire
Edited by Ophanim (06/16/09 08:25 PM)
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eeso
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: Ophanim]
#7616071 - 11/09/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The fire department usually shows up before everything is destroyed to try to save people and stop the fire and such.
They're pretty tight with the cops...
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: eeso]
#7625569 - 11/12/07 12:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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and the fact that a fire in your growroom could spread througout the entire house!
its not a good situation at all!
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Re: growroom fire prevention [Re: Ophanim]
#7668802 - 11/23/07 12:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ZeeMox said: So why is fire such a huge danger for growers? I would think that everything is destroyed and you're in the clear. I mean, sure, your shit is still all burned to the ground, but prison is avoided.
What am I missing?
Everything isn't destroyed, that's the problem. The fire chief is going to be suspicious and a forensic examination will easily prove that the fire was situated in an area used to cultivate illegal drugs and there will be enough left of the burned plants to prove they were cannabis.
Then you're fucked.
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