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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: Quake3]
    #7601662 - 11/06/07 08:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I always heard that bailing out mid trip can cause psychological effects such as depression and anxiety. I believe responsible dosage and moderation are key.

Don't be a whimp ride it out its all in your head anyway :wink:


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: binarycircuit]
    #7602199 - 11/06/07 11:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't be a whimp ride it out its all in your head anyway :wink:




Nah, riding it out might get you in trouble. You might freak out and do something irresponsible. I don't believe there's anything 'wrong' with aborting a trip. Psychedelics aren't light drugs that people can 'learn' to tolerate and the negative effects might not always be just in your head. Especially shrooms in high doses, combining drugs and the fact that you might not get what your dealer claims to be selling you.

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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: Quake3]
    #7602579 - 11/06/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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You might freak out and do something irresponsible.




Uh, you mean like taking too much of some other drug because you're freaking out and not in your right mind?

Sorry, but I don't mix my drugs...I don't play with handguns while I'm tripping hard either.

Learn meditation and breathing exercises. It will take care of almost every bad trip.


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: MotorCityMadman]
    #7603062 - 11/06/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Uh, you mean like taking too much of some other drug because you're freaking out and not in your right mind?


This crossed my mind as well, you could always set aside the right amount beforehand with a big label or in a certain container to make sure you wont pick up the wrong thing.

I agree with trying to meditate, breathing exercises, music, walking ect but in case that all fails taking harder substances turns into a reasonable option. Its the last thing you think about doing but its there just in case.


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: TheWorldWeary]
    #7603102 - 11/06/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, in my experience setting is really important. Fresh air or some good music really can go a long way.




exactly.

if this doesnt help, then the "bad trip" is probably best for you anyways.


and yes, ive seen people on the ground crying...BEGGING for it to end if they could even talk...

been there myself too...

riding it out is definitely the way to go.

you may want it to stop IMMEDIATELY, but the mushrooms are sure to teach you a lesson in patience...and pain.


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7604551 - 11/06/07 08:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've seen a few shocking trips. Violent paranoid reactions, screaming, vomiting, convulsing for hours on end.. I've had some nasty moments myself too. For me, riding it out is the best option. You learn more, and although the mental imprint over the next month may not be pleasant, ultimatley it can teach you more about your mind. An experienced tripper may face all his demons eventually but a lot of bad trips can be avoided with proper respect for set and setting..


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: MotorCityMadman]
    #7605400 - 11/07/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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You might freak out and do something irresponsible.




Uh, you mean like taking too much of some other drug because you're freaking out and not in your right mind?

Sorry, but I don't mix my drugs...I don't play with handguns while I'm tripping hard either.

Learn meditation and breathing exercises. It will take care of almost every bad trip.




There's nothing wrong with mixing drugs if you know what you're doing, there's nothing wrong with aborting a trip using hard drugs, and there's nothing wrong with calling an ambulance. Ironically, only somebody with a big ego would carry around this mentality.


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: Quake3]
    #7605454 - 11/07/07 01:11 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If using drugs to abort the trip actually works well, (i've never applied the method to myself or been with anyone who has) i guess it would have its purposes.. Meditation is the key for getting through a trip for me.. I just try to watch the trip calmly and clearly and put things in place... I have been with people where they have been far too psychotic to even listen to fellow trippers.. in such delirious states they wouldn't except the drugs anyway. I think if you have enough coherency to take a drug to escape a trip, then you probably have enough coherency to at least try to come to terms with whatever part of your mind it is showing to you. I disagree with calling an ambulance when it comes to psychedelics. It would be a last option only if they had badly injurred themselves.. a sterile medical setting would be horrible.


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: Ohmn]
    #7605512 - 11/07/07 02:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Tripping isn't a BAD feeling. Aborting the trip is going stop you from tripping, not from feeling BAD.

You have to change your attitude. And if that really isn't working ATM (I know how powerful a negative thought loop can be on a high dose), the best thing to do would be to let everyone around you know that you're about to fucking snap. Then scream. Or cry. Smash things & jack off. Get it out of you.


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: Quake3]
    #7605609 - 11/07/07 04:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Antipsychotics like Zyprexa are the "direct" way to counter a bad trip, but aren't as readily available because they aren't recreational.

http://www.shroomery.org/9084/What-is-and-how-can-I-avoid-reduce-come-up-anxiety

"More importantly, especially if you\'re voyaging into deep space, the new atypical anti-psychotic tranquilizers are bomber; Zyprexa (olanzapine) specifically. It doesn\'t taste bad, so chew it and hold it in your cheeks. You\'ll start coming down fast. And in 15 minutes or half an hour you should be asleep. These drugs actively reign in and normalize imbalances of serotonin and dopamine. They\'ll also halt a flash back or get rid of Hallucinogen Persistent Perceptual Disorder. Beware, though, if you\'re not psychotic there\'s a wicked hangover the next day. For best effects I\'d drop anywhere between 5 to 10mg on your self. Save this for a worst case scenario, ie in the event you\'re pretty sure you\'re going to having lasting psychological problems from the experience you are having (again, exceptionally rare, especially with mushrooms, but it happens)."




i think that having an intense bad trip suddenly end might leave somebody feeling lost and confused.

in my experience the last end of a bad trip includes many resolutions to the problems of before. would somebody who had a trip cut off (head trauma) or this drug, would they resolve the problems?


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: CMACD]
    #7605612 - 11/07/07 04:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well said CMACD. Though i disagree with the bit about smashing things and screaming.. I've seen it done like that on a few trips and can't understand people causing so much unnecessary destruction. Sure seek some guidance from fellow trippers but those thought loops should be dealt with quietly and personally. Thats how I do it and its not pleasant but at least it doesn't cause a scene and drag other people in with me. The desire to snap should be resisted. Its gonna be resolved eventually regardless of how violent you get. No good solving problems with a psychotic break down. Can't do that every time you run into something you dont like...


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: bumble]
    #7605686 - 11/07/07 05:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

bad trips tend to work themselves out, i agree its better to just ride it out.

but yeah keep benzos around. although i've heard dropping out of a bad trip right in the middle of it can leave you with anxiety and other mental issues :crazy2:


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: spun]
    #7606394 - 11/07/07 10:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

anybody who starts smashing shit up in my place immediately gets a forced hit of jenkem.

seriously, I have done many heroic/silly doses, and I've never gotten violent...maybe inwardly violent, but never physically aggressive.

folks like that shouldn't oughtta trip, imho.

btw, I think this is the only BB where saying someone has a "big ego" could be construed as a serious flame...but whatever. Canadians...you've tried spraying, you've tried messy foggers, but they come back every Spring.


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: pong]
    #7606706 - 11/07/07 12:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There's a huge assumption being made by many people replying here. I'd definitely go for 'ride the trip out' if your intention for tripping is to introspect and gain more wisdom, but I'm not going to assume that this is your reason for tripping. Out of everybody I know who uses psychedelics, I'm probably the only person who uses them to gain insight into my life. Every other person I know who uses drugs, uses them for fun, or to get fucked up.


I've personally tried to sit people through bad experiences, but the one thing I learned is: It's not going to teach them shit. Knowledge has to be something you're seeking. Most people trip, have a great time and then the experience ends and they say "Shrooms are fun!" and that's the only insight they obtained from the trip.

I agree that you should ride the trip out, but sometimes it can be impossible for some people, and they just want it to end. This is why a chemical abort should be readily available and there shouldn't be any hesitation or stigma to use it - but it IS a last resort. You shouldn't pop pills as soon as you have a scary or confusing insight.

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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: usefulidiot13]
    #7606742 - 11/07/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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ha no.


it would probably make it worse.


benzos would be much better.




Don't benzos also take away the sense of trip?


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Re: Hard drugs to get out of a bad trip? [Re: Quake3]
    #7607720 - 11/07/07 04:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah i've seen such schocking trips happen to friends that a chemical way out may of been a good idea, infact i wish we had had benzos on us. They had no interest in gaining insight, as soon as unpleasant things began they wanted out. And they gotta hella destructive and violent as it progressed. Neither of these guys will ever revisist high doses. For myself, a chemical exit would be giving up. I want to keep taking psychedelic doses and if thats to happen i just have to deal with what comes my way.
I'm wondering, for anyone who has used the chemical exit approach, does it become easier once off the trip to integrate the bad experience? Or is it cut short, without resolution and insight?


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