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should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir???
    #7594348 - 11/04/07 12:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm guessing if I spawn to coir and then case I will get better yields
however, I've tried spawning to coir twice before and both failed, maybe because I didn't use a large enough substrate ratio....
should I play it safe and fruit from the bag or break up and spawn it?? or I could also break it up and case directly

I want a big yield but also want to be assured I get results. this is my third attempt at growing.
first time around was successful with pf tek, 2nd time around I got some results using cased rye but ended in failure pretty much


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Re: should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir??? [Re: mikeytro]
    #7594362 - 11/04/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Ideally you would spawn it to a bulk substrate like manure or coir, but, fruiting it in the bag invitro style will work also, expect it to take a little longer, as the moisture content for rye grains in a bag are for making spawn, not to carry it through fruiting.

good luck!

if you don't have access to manure, click the link "Jeets coir bags" in my sig, and you can spawn it to that!


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Re: should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir??? [Re: jeetered]
    #7594381 - 11/04/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

spawning it to a bulk substrate will add between 2-4 weeks of time while it colonizes the new substrate but it will give you more flushes and larger yields per flush.

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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir??? [Re: mycocurious]
    #7594414 - 11/04/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Bulk! Bulk! Bulk! The waiting is worth it! Nice, big, juicy, Plentiful, Scrumptious, Mushies!!!


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Re: should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir??? [Re: The shroomy 1]
    #7594534 - 11/04/07 01:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You can get pretty fast results spawning it 50/50, grains to coir. Of course, you could spawn it four to one and get more product, but you'd wait a bit longer. Don't forget to properly hydrate and pasteruize.

If you want to fruit in the bag, I'd suggest dropping a 1/2" layer of casing material on top. Depending on the strain, plain, uncased rye can be a poor fruiter.
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Re: should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7594644 - 11/04/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I got lazy and am doing just that ,cased rye in a tray .. well see what happens .. it was 4 qts of colonized rye cased with MGMC.


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Re: should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7594673 - 11/04/07 01:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

thanks RR I think I'm going to go for spawning with a 50/50 ratio for assurance
I think the previous times when I failed at coir I over hydrated maybe?? when I picked it up and squeezed a weak stream of water would come out
after doing more reading when you squeeze only a drop or two should come out...correct?


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Re: should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir??? [Re: mikeytro]
    #7594689 - 11/04/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Correct. If you'll make it a tad on the dry side, colonization is much faster. You can always soak for a few hours at full colonization to hydrate it for fruiting.
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Re: should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7594748 - 11/04/07 02:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Correct. If you'll make it a tad on the dry side, colonization is much faster. You can always soak for a few hours at full colonization to hydrate it for fruiting.
RR




I am in no way trying to thread jack, but I have coir bags about to go through first flush, I am wanting to dunk or rehydrate in some fashion, it seems to me that the block of colonized coir would crumble apart if i placed in a 5 gallon bucket, or would the mycelium keep it together?
Monotub also is coir, i pretty much do the same as monstermitch to dunk those.

So my question I quess is would dunking a coir block, be any different then one made of poo?


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Re: should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir??? [Re: jeetered]
    #7594943 - 11/04/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: should I fruit my rye bag directly or break up and spawn to coir??? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7597581 - 11/05/07 07:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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My method. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/5478359#Post5478359
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im not going to revive that thread it's over a year old.

But as I sit and think about doing this in a day or two. I am wondering, "what am I going to put on top of the substrate, to keep it from floating up?"

it's a monotub,black contractor bag in the bottom to stop side pinning.



I have 1 block of this:



that has a hole chipped into one end, used to use it as a piggy bank, that I can fill with water, then place in a gallon ziplock bag, so nothing nasty lays on top of substrate, to hold it down.
when you say "use whatever to hold it down" (loose quote), you mean something like this?

I have no weights, not much heavy really. Other then giant fossils.


And, I would think for efficiencies sake, that you would have the water running just enough to keep the water pouring out, not full blast, or even 1/3rd blast, hydraulics are a cool sort, so long as the level spills there is movement i am assuming and this would be sufficient for flushing out any nasties?, or ensuring they don't settle in?


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