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    #7593670 - 11/04/07 07:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Just wondering, what do you amateur scientists discern this to be???

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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Ego Death]
    #7593724 - 11/04/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

First impression is that it's a camera trick, like most of these 'weird space bubble' videos. It reminds me of cells you'd see under a microscope that are out of focus.

Then again, I just woke up with a hangover, so everything is a little fucked up atm.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: RuNE]
    #7593751 - 11/04/07 08:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The astonaut saw it too and had no reason to lie so that rules out a camera trick.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Ego Death]
    #7594056 - 11/04/07 10:26 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> The astonaut saw it too and had no reason to lie so that rules out a camera trick.

Sorry, but there is not enough information in the clip to rule out, or in, anything. For example, did he see the object with his own eyes before filming?


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Seuss]
    #7594138 - 11/04/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What camera trick even remotely resembles what we see here?


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Ego Death]
    #7595458 - 11/04/07 05:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

looks to me like a hose or something similar just floating around. rotating may make it appear to be undulating.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Ego Death]
    #7595466 - 11/04/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> What camera trick even remotely resembles what we see here?

There was one "trick" recently where people were convinced that a security camera had recorded ghosts. Turned out to be out-of-focus bugs walking on the lens. However, I didn't make a claim that it was a camera trick. Read carefully, "there is not enough information in the clip to rule out, or in, anything."


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Seuss]
    #7595931 - 11/04/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

whats to rule? it was a piece of space debris that was in rotation. simple fact.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: nobhdy]
    #7597344 - 11/05/07 03:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> whats to rule? it was a piece of space debris that was in rotation. simple fact.

I assume you have a reference to back up your "simple fact"?


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Seuss]
    #7597373 - 11/05/07 04:30 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well what else could it be? its an object in zero gravity rotating. whether it was staged or not didnt seem relevant to the topic. you just wanted to know what it was. camera trick? no, its movements look more realistic than anything hollywood can muster, and i have to assume what i observe is fact untill otherwise proven....and dont get me wrong, i would love for this to be some space eel from mars or something, but looking at it from a realistic point of view, its just a piece of...something rotating around in zero g.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: nobhdy]
    #7597420 - 11/05/07 05:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> but looking at it from a realistic point of view, its just a piece of...something rotating around in zero g.

In other words, you have no more to support your claim that it is space junk than Ego Death has to support his claim that it is "alien" (assumption on my part towards Ego Death's position).

Although I agree that space junk is a likely explanation, there isn't enough from the short clip and interview presented above to know for certain. For all we know, it could be space junk floating around inside the camera (which is why I asked if he saw it with his own eyes or only through the camera).


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Seuss]
    #7597631 - 11/05/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Why is the background blue with clouds? Compare that video to other spacecraft pictures, with a black background. It sure looks like a microvideo of a single celled organism that was composited over a picture of the sky taken from earth.
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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7598827 - 11/05/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

have you ever seen a picture of earth taken from space?

that seems kinda ignorant to me. conspiracy theories are retarded, in my opinion. and why would they want to fake something like this. you guys are overthinking it. take it as it is. its nothing more until its proven to be. and right now, all i see is a piece of something floating around.

now dont get me wrong, id like to think it some space lifeform, but honestly, what i can see tells me otherwise. if, in ten years, it turns out that someone found it was actually life, then you can say "i toldja so", but till then, im taking it at face value.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7598974 - 11/05/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No its not likely to be a composite at all.

For starters NASA released this footage!


Also about the hose thing, how does a rubber hose have internal motion.

The astronaut and video clearly shows that this 'thing' has internal motion.

He also states that he saw it twice on seperate occasions - was the hose following him?

That really means that it is most likely to be
1. Biological or living
2. Electronic

A bit of hose in space certainly does not create an internal movement.

You are right to some extent seuss. I think it is likely that this thing is an entity of some form but only from logical deduction and yet I always remain open to other possibilities. My reasoning cannot justify this as being a 'hose' though.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Ego Death]
    #7599114 - 11/05/07 04:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> That really means that it is most likely to be

... about anything... from a bit of the space craft that is designed to fall off to a bit inside the camera floating around to little microbots from planet x to a reflection on the clouds from who knows what. There isn't enough information to make any kind of real determination.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Seuss]
    #7599133 - 11/05/07 04:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

correct....however what info i can see tells me its just a bit of hose.

as for the internal motion, im not sure he meant self-propelled. to me it simply looked like something moving in zero g. theres really not alot of resistance up there, unless it were actually IN the spacecraft. all it would need is some starting motion, and it wont stop. i think thats what he saw.

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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7600017 - 11/05/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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Why is the background blue with clouds? Compare that video to other spacecraft pictures, with a black background. It sure looks like a microvideo of a single celled organism that was composited over a picture of the sky taken from earth.
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this is old, I remember first seeing this on the nasa channel, and it was in space, you could see apart of the shuttle and the curvature of the earth, that video looks very crop and zoomed in. They had a part where the thing was wiggling over the blackness of space and you could really see the dimensions of it. It has a strange wiggle.


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    #7600021 - 11/05/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

did they ever collect it?


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: snoot]
    #7600090 - 11/05/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It's the worms, they have had an evolutionary leap forward.....
They got pissed off because us humans sometimes cremate our remains,
so they evolved themselves to float in the sky and soak up the nutrients from out of the air....  :grin:  :thumbup:


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7600932 - 11/05/07 11:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah, no more dmt for you...

i think thats rather interesting, about the dimensions. what did it look like? was it tubular, round, abstract?


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: snoot]
    #7601597 - 11/06/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yea I also remember seeing something like this, perhaps not this footage as I dont know how old this footage is. I remember NASA putting up the video and a bit later they figured out what it was


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Seuss]
    #7602794 - 11/06/07 01:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

A bit from the spacecraft?

Yet it was seen on two seperate occasions, does this bit follow them around?

And the internal motion?

A bit of spacecraft doesn't cut it for me.

Do you accept that its as likely to be an undiscovered space entity as it is a bit of spacecraft???


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Ego Death]
    #7603767 - 11/06/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> Yet it was seen on two seperate occasions, does this bit follow them around?

Repeat after me: "An object in motion will move at a constant velocity, unless a resultant force acts on it."

> And the internal motion?

Optical illusion caused by the shimmer of light on the object.

From: http://www.spacestory.com/omni_part_1.htm
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OMNI: What inexplicable things have you seen out there?

Musgrave: You see satellites. I've seen Mir go by within 28 miles; other satellites and you don't know what they are, but maybe just space debris. All kinds of debris come off space ships, especially at the back end after the main engines shut down and you open the doors: ice chips, oxygen or hydrogen, stuff dumped from the engines. On two flights I've seen and photographed what I call "the snake," like a seven-foot eel swimming out there. It may be an uncritical rubber seal from the main engines. In zero g it's totally free to maneuver, and it has its own internal waves like it's swimming. All this debris is white, reflecting sunlight, or you don't see it. Cruising along with you at your velocity, it's still got its own rotation. At zero g, things have an incredible freedom. It's an extraordinary ballet.




Interesting... from what I can find, the "object" is actually frozen particles from the wing of the shuttle after launch that came off in a vortex (which is common). Internal dynamics are optical illusions caused by sunlight reflecting off the ice particles. The dance of the "object" is caused by turbulence in what little atmosphere there is that high. Basic shape is maintained by spin and lack of gravity due to altitude. Lack of visual reference makes "object" appear closer than it is. Also explains why "object" is lower and behind the shuttle with respect to earth and direction of travel. More or less it is a frozen vapor trail slowly interacting with the upper atmosphere as it falls out of orbit.

> Do you accept that its as likely to be an undiscovered space entity as it is a bit of spacecraft???

Based only on the video, yes. Based upon what an old friend that works with NASA (a literal rocket scientist) just told me, nope, not at all.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Ego Death]
    #7603800 - 11/06/07 05:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you accept that its as likely to be an undiscovered space entity as it is a bit of spacecraft???




Nope, sorry, Occam's razor brah.

Quote:

More or less it is a frozen vapor trail slowly interacting with the upper atmosphere as it falls out of orbit.




That is a pretty neat description of what they may be seeing. I wouldn't have thought that debris would behave like that in orbit but it sounds very reasonable.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: MrKite1]
    #7604084 - 11/06/07 06:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Suess said what i was trying to think. Good job.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Ego Death]
    #7605573 - 11/07/07 03:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Looks like an orbiting used rubber to me but then again no one ever accused me of having a grand vision.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Seuss]
    #7605648 - 11/07/07 05:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Excellent reply.

The only possible problems I found are that if its rubber, which it would need to be to move like that?  Then it should not shimmer.  You explain the shimmer as ice but yet frozen rubber doesn't usually have movement, it becomes brittle :crazy:

But I don't know either way so all possibilities are open.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Ego Death]
    #7608988 - 11/07/07 09:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am tellin ya~ people.....    Worms..... 

Double-you, oh, are, emm, ess......    Worms.....  :crankey:


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    #7609312 - 11/07/07 10:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Four words:




End of story bitches.



BTW can we confirm Samuel Jackson was flying that day?


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    #7610248 - 11/08/07 09:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'll take the case!

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    #7612676 - 11/08/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'll try and contact his agent...


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: johnm214]
    #7614147 - 11/09/07 08:42 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:epileptic:


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: nobhdy]
    #7614754 - 11/09/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Dunno what it is but it doesn't look like a rubber hose or anything else inanimate as someone suggested. Its "wriggling" in zero G.

Either a fake or cosmic anomaly.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Scarfmeister]
    #7616167 - 11/09/07 05:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

> Its "wriggling" in zero G.

Incorrect. Low earth orbit experiences microgravity, not zero gravity.


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Re: Nasa space eel [Re: Seuss]
    #7617689 - 11/10/07 06:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There are very few situations where you can use 'zero gravity'.


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