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How to avoid it? Advice any one???
#7593197 - 11/04/07 12:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So it's like this. Up untill now i haven't taken anything other than pot, aside from amphetamine, but that is an entirely diffrent high so lets leave that aside. Anyhows
I am paranoid by nature, and by paranoid i dont mean thinking someone is out to get me, but more like this. When i was little around 6-7 i remember one night, while in bed, seeing a large turtle in the corner of the room (Witch is dark as an eliphants ass from the inside) and being scared to death from it. I couldn't sleep that night. Alot of times i have heard buzzes in the night, buzzes like imagine a thousand flys (This is when i was little)
But i never really payed any attention to it, you know how it is when you are small, now you think of something, the next minute you dont, so anywats
When i grew a little my paranoias subsided and i lived happily ever after. Until i started smoking pot.
In the begining it was fun, i laught alot, had some visual trips, like things going slow motion, "the image" getting sort of, blocky if you know what i mean, good times. Then i started taking pot more often. Me and my friends smoked from 4 to 10-12 joints a day no slims, only fat ass joints,(we were around 6-7 ppl) and i'm not talking about shit weed, only the good stuff, the stuff that you only need 2 puffs to get high, 3 to get wasted.Any way, i did this for about 6-8 months, every day.
In those months the paranoia in me awakened.I could't stand around ppl anymore, more over when i was high. I felt like everyone was playing mind games with me every time. Everything that anyone said to me, sounded like he/she was mocking me, my brain just transformed anything anyone said to a trip, a bad trip, and this is non stop. I started seeing my eyes in the mirror huge and discusting. And other gorribly wrong trips.
I started thinking ppl can read my thoughts. And when they just looked at me they could see what i have done that day, what i have thought that day, and the things that they said to me somehow sounded.. like they really did... like a buildable trip, that builds up all the time, taking into considerations that i was non stop high you can imagine... So i become extremly introverted, i seldomly spoke to anyone, just 2-3people that for some strange reason when i was with them i didn't feel the paranoias, they just werent there.
I was in an eternal loop of two major bad trips, the ppl reading my thoughts, and ppl making fun of me and/or playing mind games with me all the time, and alot of small, one time bad trips.And i knew they were trips but i just couldn't deny them.I couldn't deny they were real, the seemed sooo real.... I stoped smoking everyday maybe... half an year ago. Becouse I got a girlfriend and she dragged me out of the black hole i was in.Made me stop smoking pot. If it weren't for her i think i would me in the nut house right now. So eventualy the bad trips went away, With ALOT of hard work on my side, and support from her I.. how should i say it... prooved to my self the trips were just trips. I now smoke a pot now and then, when i go to partyes i take a line or two aphetamine you know.. good stuff. When i smoke i always smoke very little, becouse when i ovedo it the trips come back again in an instant.
So i smoke a little, from time to time. Just enough to get that dizzy feeling you know.
But the problem is i REAAAALY want to try shrooms, but i am just fucking scared of what might happen, if i get those paranoias from weed. I shatter to think what might happen if i take shrooms.
So...
Anyone got any advice for me???
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: omirion]
#7593364 - 11/04/07 01:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly, I can seriously try to explain this to you. However, you mustn’t be offended by what I’m saying. Instead try to be completely open and if you are, it will all make sense to you. If you want to ignore it because it sounds too “outlandish,” then you will be just another person who believes their imagination isn’t real and will never understand the meaning of life.
Firstly, regarding your childhood "Turtle Experience" and "Buzzing Sounds,”
Everyone on this planet has what I like to refer as the higher self. This is an all-knowing, cognizant (concious, living, breathing) being that is watching over your physical form here on Earth on a different dimensional overtone. This is because this higher-self in reality is you. I call them the "Microcosmic creators” (As opposed to the Universal God as the “Macrocosmic creator”).
Now as far as the turtle goes, it was just a representation of your “higher-self” trying to prove its existence to you at a very young age. However, obviously it isn’t a turtle, but it appeared to be a turtle because it probably figured it was something you could relate to (When you were younger you probably had some sort of appeal to turtles). If it deliberately unveiled itself in its natural form at that time it could have had some tragic affect on your future; this is why it disguised itself as a turtle. So that explains the whole turtle ordeal, also as a side-note; how were you able to see your higher-self when you were younger? That’s because at a young age you are almost directly connected to this higher-self (this is because of a lot of factors, but I’m not going into detail because it’s way too much information at once)
Secondly, those "buzzing sounds," or as you described, “…like hearing a thousand flies,” are in actuality; high intensity frequencies that they use to communicate with your sub-conscious mind. Basically, you aren’t exactly understanding what is being said, but trust me your brain does. There’s a possibility that your life could have been going in the wrong direction at that time; maybe it wasn’t exactly what your higher-self intended. Therefore, they use these frequencies to communicate with ones entire neurological system. This is usually why your first initial reaction to these events while they’re occurring, is that of intense fear.
Let’s fast forward to the present Cannabis tribulations, and see how they correlate. Cannabis is a trouble-free way of your mind being able to “reconnect” with the higher-self. This is why to some, if not most people, Cannabis can give one great insights; these insights will just come to the mind without restraint. It’s because Cannabis is in fact a psychedelic whether you’d like to believe it or not. The only difference is it’s a mild form that anyone can get used to; for the preparation of much stronger psychedelics such as Mushrooms or DMT. The way Cannabis works is mostly through the literary or words, this is so the higher self can communicate to you in a way you can understand. When you smoke it, you typically become the third-person, and just like to sit back becoming aware to the surroundings you’re in. You take notice to things that normally you didn’t even care to, usually ideas about people. This is because Cannabis helps people “become thy self.” What I mean is, Cannabis assists people in forgetting they even had an ego and gives the personification of the real you to the rest of the world. The same thing goes visa-versa, meaning when everyone smokes together you get the real vibe of all people whom you are with.
Thus, when you’re smoking around these people, and are having a recurring negative reaction. The prognosis is obvious; it’s your higher-self forewarning you about these people. What’s most likely taking place during these, what you refer to as “bad-trips,” is that your higher-self is giving you a glimpse into the future. I’ll rephrase this to the best of my ability, while remaining brief. Whoever you’re currently associating yourself with, is the path you can take to self-destruction.
My interpretation is that the higher-self wants you to disassociate yourself with any of these “acquaintances” of yours who are doing amphetamines. If you don’t, well then you will suffer the consequences. Also, don’t be deceived by women because although they’re wonderful teachers, it’s just in this day and age they have lost touch with themselves (They don’t know who they are). If this girlfriend of yours happens to be one of the greater influences in relation to your amphetamine usage, I would recommend you do the following. Take mushrooms with her and trip together.
Detoxify your body completely of all drugs (amphetamines), alcohol, and even Cannabis. While you’re doing this you can begin researching on this forum how one prepares for tripping. Use the search button; chances are if you have a question pertaining to tripping you can easily access it on this forum. Once you access this information, and lay out your trip perfectly (It's like going camping). Get a hold of some nice Psilocybes (aka. Shrooms) and if you prepare properly you will probably have some sort of epiphany. The key to tripping is researching everything at all angles to make sure it will go exactly how you want. If you cannot find an answer, you know to post a thread and someone is bound to answer it eventually.
Finally, the last regard is usually that of your own, trust your instincts, trust what you feel and everything will go just fine. You can take what I have given you, and utilize it to your advantage. Do you have to believe everything I’m saying? Of course not… Yet, in time everyone will know what I’m saying as fact, but for right now just know that it is something greater than you.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: omirion]
#7593429 - 11/04/07 03:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pot makes me hella paranoid, but I feel great when I trip. Pot is know to cause intense paranoia. I say try it, providing it's in a chill spot and you know what you're doing, and you shouldn't wig out.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: AlCapwn]
#7593523 - 11/04/07 06:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Big_Stroonz
i loved your first paragraphs, but in the end it seemed as though you were using your knowledge as a metaphor for quitting amphetamies. though i am in no way a condoner of such drugs, well, i believe you strayed from the point.
but your comment was quite informative and good to read  i would not always see a bad trip as a interconnectivity with such a scenario, to crudely quote you, a premonition of a self destructive prophecy.
I would see such a scenario more as an indication to your consciousness that change/a 'life option' (for better or for worse) is available to you, and your 'bad vibes' are more of a resistance to change. Be this potential change the urge to quite amphetamines, which your body interprets negatively, leading to your bad trips, so be it. but i would not put a name to such an anomaly.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: omirion]
#7593725 - 11/04/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hear ya, I experience the thoughts and feelings you describe alot. I have alot of experience with mushrooms, and if I was feeling like you do at the time I would not trip. It will amplify everything you described. Let me try to put it to ya this way; I always have mushrooms at my disposal, it's now been more than a year since my last trip, and for reasons much like what you describe. When I trip I can expect to meet everyone and everything in my life on a different level in that time, I will learn things about my relationships, about myself and how those relationships pertain to me. It will have a direct effect on how I treat those situations and relationships in the future. Even if I don't physically act, the thoughts are still there. AMF, I looking for a time right now. First, a time when I do not feel any pressure from current situations or relationships (all, meaning employers, coworkers, friends, family, etc...), second with a few people that I feel comfortable with and in a place i feel comfortable. Even alone. Only then can I get the full experience and benefit from it. Just offering from experience, take what you want, leave the rest, and go have yourself one amazing first trip
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: LouiseLouise]
#7593799 - 11/04/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just start with a low, manageable dose. Maybe a gram. Go from there.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: Ness1]
#7594086 - 11/04/07 10:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trust me, ganja gets me paranoid too, but so can shrooms honestly, it's up to you, do what you feel you should do and if you do take shrooms, definately start out on a low dose to be safe. Oh, and have fun
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: Kaja117]
#7595646 - 11/04/07 06:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks all for the input, really some interesting information. And yeah, if i try it im gonna go for a smaller dose at first, and see where it takes me.
BiG_StroOnZ
I think i feel you bro, maybe I dont understand the entire picture, but i see your points, and maybe some of the things you say have crossed my mind on their own, but.. lets leave it at that Thank you that you took all the time to read this and post such a big reply.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: omirion]
#7595672 - 11/04/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Big Stroonz, that post was great, man. you said it all.
Good luck Omirion, i think you'll find your way. I've struggled with times like yours and i've gotten through it.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: AlCapwn]
#7595685 - 11/04/07 06:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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also, what you describe as "paranoia" is what I think of anxiety. Pot doesn't make me very paranoid, but I usually get some anxiety. Lasts through the come up and peak, but for the come down its all about relaxing. depends on set & setting, though.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: Limerick]
#7595699 - 11/04/07 06:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here's the long and short of it. Everyone who takes drugs for a very long time will have some sort of neurosis that is exacerbated out of control. It's just plain fact. Look around. So that's to say that nobody on earth can beat drugs forever. Now some people can tolerate them even less. Yet others do develop mental problems very quickly. Here's the thing. If you know yourself and respect/love yourself then listen to yourself and don't keep ignoring the fact that drugs are probably bad for you. Especially if you're formative - 12-18, or approaching middle age - 35-45, these two times especially one is prone to develop neurosis, or outright mental problems. Many people wont want to hear this, but by now we all know someone who is really fucked in the head through drug use, and if we don't we haven't gotten out much.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: Limerick]
#7597051 - 11/05/07 12:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kanker said: Big_Stroonz
i loved your first paragraphs, but in the end it seemed as though you were using your knowledge as a metaphor for quitting amphetamies. though i am in no way a condoner of such drugs, well, i believe you strayed from the point.
but your comment was quite informative and good to read  i would not always see a bad trip as a interconnectivity with such a scenario, to crudely quote you, a premonition of a self destructive prophecy.
I would see such a scenario more as an indication to your consciousness that change/a 'life option' (for better or for worse) is available to you, and your 'bad vibes' are more of a resistance to change. Be this potential change the urge to quite amphetamines, which your body interprets negatively, leading to your bad trips, so be it. but i would not put a name to such an anomaly.
Kanker I appreciate your positivity, your quite intelligent. I also definitely agree with you on your concept that you refer to as, "change/a life option." Whether it be for the better or for worse, and that your negative vibes are probably a direct indication to the person resisting the change.
However, I despise drugs and in this instance it’s amphetamines. I believe most present day troubles that people experience are a direct relation to whatever drugs, i.e. Pharmaceuticals, Medications, and Narcotics they have been taking. With that said, I believe personally it has to have something to do with his usage of these amphetamines. My feeling is anyone who is doing any sort of narcotic is certain to experience some sort of tribulation along the road; one that they will be destined to either ignore or accept, or as you indirectly notion, “a change your life in some way warning.”
I believe in four key concepts of this world.
1. The Law of Attraction (This is a dream, this is why it works so well) 2. Shamanism (anything that was meant for our taken comes from this Earth) 3. Some form of mediation, whether it is a combination of all variations or one particular version you fancy. (Creates internal balance) 4. Love for everything. (This one the inhabitants of Earth have long forgotten, but it is inevitable they will rediscover it soon and it’s because we have lost our teachers [aka. the female]. Who used to assure our education on this subject, but because of the media as well as history, they have been turned into what I call, “pretty men.”)
So simply put, with a background on my concepts on living. It shouldn’t seem far-fetched as to why I’m directly relating his negative reactions to the usage of that drug. It may have seemed like I strayed off, but for this particular purpose I was on point. Although, you and I seem to have comparably close ideas, considering you also dissaprove of amphetamine usage in general. I despise all governing bodies and everything they created, including amphetamines. Therefore, it isn’t really so far off as to why I’m offering my own knowledge as metaphor for quitting amphetamines. I believe thoroughly that psychedelics and entheogens offer one a definite answer to their inner Armageddon. Granted, they have either someone who is highly-knowledgeable as their guide or provided they’ve done some serious research.
Entheobotany is all this civilization has left to redeem their souls. Regardless of how each individual goes about it, everyone needs to do it. This is a sincere idea that I truly feel people need to grasp. Those who say they will die first and then rise are in error. If they do not first receive the resurrection while they live, when they die they will receive nothing.
Lastly, I do not want anyone to be mislead, these are my own personal generalities. It's just once you know what's really going on, and you realize what everyone is missing; Eager then becomes a close friend.
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omirion said: Thanks all for the input, really some interesting information. And yeah, if i try it im gonna go for a smaller dose at first, and see where it takes me.
BiG_StroOnZ
I think i feel you bro, maybe I dont understand the entire picture, but i see your points, and maybe some of the things you say have crossed my mind on their own, but.. lets leave it at that Thank you that you took all the time to read this and post such a big reply.
Your welcome and anytime brother. I love people, this is what I enjoy doing. Good-luck, you will know what to do.
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Limerick said: Big Stroonz, that post was great, man. you said it all.
Good luck Omirion, i think you'll find your way. I've struggled with times like yours and i've gotten through it.
Thanks Limerick, I'm grateful for knowing that another feels as do I.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#7597076 - 11/05/07 12:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know I'm butting in here but you're a bit condescending.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#7597284 - 11/05/07 02:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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BiG_StroOnZ said: Honestly, I can seriously try to explain this to you. However, you mustn’t be offended by what I’m saying. Instead try to be completely open and if you are, it will all make sense to you. If you want to ignore it because it sounds too “outlandish,” then you will be just another person who believes their imagination isn’t real and will never understand the meaning of life.
Firstly, regarding your childhood "Turtle Experience" and "Buzzing Sounds,”
Everyone on this planet has what I like to refer as the higher self. This is an all-knowing, cognizant (concious, living, breathing) being that is watching over your physical form here on Earth on a different dimensional overtone. This is because this higher-self in reality is you. I call them the "Microcosmic creators” (As opposed to the Universal God as the “Macrocosmic creator”).
Now as far as the turtle goes, it was just a representation of your “higher-self” trying to prove its existence to you at a very young age. However, obviously it isn’t a turtle, but it appeared to be a turtle because it probably figured it was something you could relate to (When you were younger you probably had some sort of appeal to turtles). If it deliberately unveiled itself in its natural form at that time it could have had some tragic affect on your future; this is why it disguised itself as a turtle. So that explains the whole turtle ordeal, also as a side-note; how were you able to see your higher-self when you were younger? That’s because at a young age you are almost directly connected to this higher-self (this is because of a lot of factors, but I’m not going into detail because it’s way too much information at once)
Secondly, those "buzzing sounds," or as you described, “…like hearing a thousand flies,” are in actuality; high intensity frequencies that they use to communicate with your sub-conscious mind. Basically, you aren’t exactly understanding what is being said, but trust me your brain does. There’s a possibility that your life could have been going in the wrong direction at that time; maybe it wasn’t exactly what your higher-self intended. Therefore, they use these frequencies to communicate with ones entire neurological system. This is usually why your first initial reaction to these events while they’re occurring, is that of intense fear.
Actually the buzzing and hallucinations are common things to experience during the hypnogogic state of sleep. This occurs before or after sleeping The noise doesn't have to be buzzing, it can be people saying your name, laughter, jet engines you name it, it can make it. Same with the hallucinations, it can be anything as well. I often experience this and it changes every single time, for example the other night i saw leaves during the hypnogogic state. This is probably due to the changing of seasons and probably not due to my higher self. I can manipulate these hallucinations until they become so pronounced that i enter entire "landscapes known as a lucid dream" Also may i point out that fear during this stage of sleep is very common in people regardless of what you experience.
Now my opinion on the paranoia' part. You probably have a small case of 'paranoid personality disorder" which while sober u don't even notice or want to notice. But while under the influence of psychedelics, drugs known to exaggerate thought and emotions (especially one known to create paranoia itself) you can realize it at a greater degree.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: DeathCompany]
#7597298 - 11/05/07 02:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeathCompany said: Actually the buzzing and hallucinations are common things to experience during the hypnogogic state of sleep. This occurs before or after sleeping The noise doesn't have to be buzzing, it can be people saying your name, laughter, jet engines you name it, it can make it. Same with the hallucinations, it can be anything as well. I often experience this and it changes every single time, for example the other night i saw leaves during the hypnogogic state. This is probably due to the changing of seasons and probably not due to my higher self. I can manipulate these hallucinations until they become so pronounced that i enter entire "landscapes known as a lucid dream" Also may i point out that fear during this stage of sleep is very common in people regardless of what you experience.
Now my opinion on the paranoia' part. You probably have a small case of 'paranoid personality disorder" which while sober u don't even notice or want to notice. But while under the influence of psychedelics, drugs known to exaggerate thought and emotions (especially one known to create paranoia itself) you can realize it at a greater degree.
Just out of curiosity, Have you ever read the book DMT the Spirit Molecule by Dr. Rick Strassman?
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#7597310 - 11/05/07 02:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes i have why
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: DeathCompany]
#7597337 - 11/05/07 03:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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DeathCompany said: yes i have why
Then I don’t understand why you’re not grasping the idea of what I’m saying. Considering that the majority of the passages in that book, in regards to the onset effects of a given threshold dosage of I.V. DMT. Consistently claims the patients experiencing some sort of intense buzzing sound. I’m not going to go into further detail here because you claimed to read the book; you know what the book deals with and should be able to correlate all of the events as somehow being a part of a much “bigger picture.”
Subsequently, onto your concepts about the scenarios described in this thread; they sound a bit jaded and indefinitely far too simplistic for the “realism of things.” You’re just labeling. I recommend you lay off the science; it forces you into believing in a left-minded concept of how everything works. The left-brain or more simply the “male side” functions through a system of logic and well that just doesn’t work, because as we all know, existence just in general isn’t logical.
Believe whatever makes yourself happy, but in-all-honesty, you should reacquaint yourself with holistic based studies. This should help you rekindle your right-brain perception, without the feminine side we are nothing. Is it so hard to comprehend that you’re a being that was once mended as one and that existence itself could quite possibly be creation of love?
I don’t intend to sound arrogant, but for someone who’s a member on a website dedicated mostly to the Psilocybe cubensis, you sound quite anti-spiritual with your comments. 
PS. I do respect and understand where you're coming from with your version or take on the scenario. Yet, once you experience a higher-element, your whole rationale thought process diminishes completely.
I'm not going to refute, nor do I want to turn this into an argument, but know this, when it's your time don't try to make sense of it all.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#7597449 - 11/05/07 06:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ummm...I don't really know what everybody else is talking about...to the OP just be careful with shrooms, try em once with some very trustworthy people, and relax. I would guess there is a very good chance that shrooms could actually help to eliminate your paranoia on weed, if you are able to have a good trip.
I'm not gonna lie though, shrooms are 1000X more confusing and disorienting than weed so don't do em at a party or around a bunch of people smoking. Do them with several other people who are also tripping.
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: g00ru]
#7597711 - 11/05/07 08:56 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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shrooms get me more paranoid than pot althought one time i freaked out for some reason and gave away an 1/8th of my pot for no reason i just tweaked and was like "I'm going home!" and threw my pot at my friends and drove off
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Somatic
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: monstermush]
#7598181 - 11/05/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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just make sure you trip on a sunny day, and make sure you are outside, maybe take a walk in a park
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DeathCompany
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Re: How to avoid it? Advice any one??? [Re: Somatic]
#7598332 - 11/05/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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BiG_StroOnZ said:
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DeathCompany said: yes i have why
Then I don%u2019t understand why you%u2019re not grasping the idea of what I%u2019m saying. Considering that the majority of the passages in that book, in regards to the onset effects of a given threshold dosage of I.V. DMT. Consistently claims the patients experiencing some sort of intense buzzing sound. I%u2019m not going to go into further detail here because you claimed to read the book; you know what the book deals with and should be able to correlate all of the events as somehow being a part of a much %u201Cbigger picture.%u201D
I was not aware thats what your getting at for one reason. I have experienced DMT myself many times and i practice lucid dreaming, putting myself into trances(hypnogogic state) and astral projection. The third is most important because before actually leaving your body you do here loud noise and if u want to call it buzzing u can but in my experience it is very different from the DMT noise I don't know what your personal experience with this subject is but to me they are not just words Ive read in a book, they are things Ive done myself on plenty of occasions.
I am spiritual its just that what you said did not make sense to me. Judging from your last statement get the impression you underestimate my use of psychedelics. just because i don't have a spiritual answer to this guys problem doesn't mean Ive never been to the other side but yes i do fall for the psychological/analytic side of things in every day life, it seems to work better for me.
As for the original poster, I would trip in a nice setting only around people you trust and make it not more than 3 or 4 people. Also keep a benzo on hand just in case things get crazy and you don't like it. Also when I'm in a bad trip(Ive actually experienced the same two bad trips scenarios you have) is find fun in the matter. Don't wig out about it just go with the flow and laugh at yourself. Don't control your thoughts just let them go on their own and it will be over with sooner or later. Trying to control a trip usually ends up bad. I came up with a saying in a dream i had the other day. mind control your in the hole, mind release you'll be at peace. Works for me whenever I'm tripping bad.
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