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mikebart101
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Real Life Fight Club
#7590553 - 11/03/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have this urge to start one. Not because I like to fight but because sometimes there are no words for the feelings one must convey. I have only been in a few 'real' fights and all of them have been with my best friends, but instead of them pulling us apart it actually brought us together. I know we'll be friends till the day we die. It's weird.
I have always wondered if the great philosophers in history were members of fight clubs. They never fought over anything or for anything, it was more of a leftover primordial instinct that needed to be taken care of before it was too late. Look at almost all other animals on the planet, they fight and we refer to it as 'play fighting'.
There is no biting, low blows, cheap shots, grappling, etc. allowed in such a fight. The terms are decided upon by the contenders and enforced by the bystanders. And when one opponent is knocked down, the other must pick him up.
-"Hey buddy lets go outside and settle this." -"Why outside? I have no gripe against anyone else except for the one that is building against you. Why disturb the neighbors? Let's go in the basement instead and take care of this. You know you have a problem; a deeply routed one at that, and the only way to fix it is for me to TEACH you how to behave."
Call it physical therapy for the mind.
-------------------- So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: mikebart101]
#7591455 - 11/03/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you could join a boxing club. i watched a muhammad ali fight the other day it was amazing. float like a butterfly sting like a bee
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: sleepy]
#7591573 - 11/03/07 03:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like a bunch of hatin imo.
How about you start a club where you have sex and smoke marijuana doobs?
That sounds a lot funner than hurting eachother.
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mikebart101
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I do not see it as being hateful but more of an unresolved tension between two people that should be addressed physically. I know that force is not a peaceful motion and therefore can not be peaceful at its core, but sometimes...there is only one option.
It's more of a wakeup call, so to speak, for both parties involved.
Some great men have been fighters.
-------------------- So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: mikebart101]
#7591908 - 11/03/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The kind of energy that exists in a good, fair fight is thrilling, imo. I've never been in a fight outside of good natured sparring with friends and lovers or in Systema classes, but these forums for aggression have been rather therapeutic and enjoyable. Even sexy at times! I'd probably be a more balanced, happy person if there was more brawling in my daily life. It's an incredible release. The thing that's so great about fighting with friends is that you know there is love between you, that you will respect boundaries while pushing them and that you are helping one another become stronger and more aware of your physical capacities and limitations. Good stuff.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7591939 - 11/03/07 05:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's what Im talking about.
-------------------- So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: mikebart101]
#7592119 - 11/03/07 07:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The problem with fighting as a release is that many people lack the calm of a UFC fighter and they tend to take things like being physically attacked personally. In the end people would end up with hurt feelings and the best fighters would lord it over the others. Instead of empowering people it would turn into another way to keep up with or exceed ones neighbors. Fight Club was a good movie, but the notion of this type of organization is just romanticism. One more thing...if you disagree I'll kick your fucking ass.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: mikebart101]
#7592130 - 11/03/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I fail to see the spirituality of two guys beating the crap out of each other, frankly.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: Le_Canard]
#7592131 - 11/03/07 07:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: I fail to see the spirituality of two guys beating the crap out of each other, frankly.
-------------------- "If we could sniff or swallow something that would, for five or six hours each day, abolish our solitude as individuals, atone us with our fellows in a glowing exaltation of affection and make life in all its aspects seem not only worth living, but divinely beautiful and significant, and if this heavenly, world-transfiguring drug were of such a kind that we could wake up next morning with a clear head and an undamaged constitution - then, it seems to me, all our problems (and not merely the one small problem of discovering a novel pleasure) would be wholly solved and earth would become paradise." - Aldous Huxley GIVE ME OPIATES OR GIVE ME DEATH
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: aDoS]
#7592154 - 11/03/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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mikebart,
how about instead of thinking of ways to alleviate tensions/hate/anger or whatever, think about why you feel this way in the first place.
if your testicals start to hurt super fucking bad, do you immediately just start popping pain pills to make the pain go away? no, you go see a doctor and he diagnose's the problem. you need to start thinking of your hate and anger like these testicles right now.
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Quote:
Huehuecoyotl said: The problem with fighting as a release is that many people lack the calm of a UFC fighter and they tend to take things like being physically attacked personally. In the end people would end up with hurt feelings and the best fighters would lord it over the others. Instead of empowering people it would turn into another way to keep up with or exceed ones neighbors. Fight Club was a good movie, but the notion of this type of organization is just romanticism. One more thing...if you disagree I'll kick your fucking ass.
I don't get the idea that kicking your friends ass means love? But then I don't really get those silly anyway.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: Icelander]
#7592309 - 11/03/07 07:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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he didnt use romanticism in that sense. thats the only thing i can think you were thinking it meant to say what you just said.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: Icelander]
#7592318 - 11/03/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I view fighting in the same light as chess or any other competitive contest. There is an art and beauty to a good fight. I really want to get into mma b/c i believe it would be fun to try and manipulate opponents. I fully understand what he's talking about. It's more of a mental contest than a physical one.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: Icelander]
#7592401 - 11/03/07 08:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pacifism is so boring. Come on dudes, it isn't inherently macho to enjoy a little good natured wrestling. Brawling with friends isn't about hate, it's about having a rowdy good time. You don't have to enjoy it, but processing that kind of energy can be exciting. Also, what are you gonna do when you face a threatening situation if you've always been such a passive little wank than you can't hold your own? Run away crying? Get the shit kicked out of you? Lose a great deal of dignity?
I think it's funny that here I am, a woman, the 'gentle gender', trying to convince a bunch of testosterone filled men that fighting has it's up sides. I'm not talking about trolling around downtown on friday night looking for a brawl. I'm talking about something much different.
One time I was doing some Systema training. The premise of Systema is to get people used to the energy that happens in a confrontation so they can process it properly and be grounded and in control of themselves... anyways, so one thing that is sometimes done towards the end of a session is the instructor will ask people if they want to take hits, and basically punch you in the gut as hard as they can. They'll do a couple trick hits (not really laying it in) and then really hit you. An untrained person will usually have a panic reaction and a whole bunch of tense energy will rush to the spot and flail around in there. I did this, and sure enough had a panic reaction. They instructor works through it with you, encouraging you to breathe it out and move the energy through you into the ground. I totally freaked and repressed it, unable to process it. Several hours later I broke down in tears after hours of trying to repress it and ignore it. The other two who took hits had also already broken down in this way and I didn't want to detract from thier needs and thought it would be selfish to take attention for myself when others needed it, even though I needed it just as much. The instructor (who is a friend) helped me with breathing and movement techniques to move the energy out and friends helped me realize that it was ok to ask for help. At one point, as I was about to enter a panic again, the instructor just told me to stop feeling sorry for myself. Given the context this was exactly what I needed to hear, and it helped me immensely.
This was a seminal moment in my life, and a major transition for breaking down one of my biggest fears and insecurities. After the breath and movement work, a friend made me a pot of tea and I went to the garden, stripped naked and poured three buckets of cold water slowly over my head and body. Buckets are ultra grounding, and highly recommended, btw. Then I did some yoga, sat alone for a short while, and returned to the house where I had the tea and lots of hugs. Later on my friends and I played guitar, told funny stories, and just generally bonded more deeply than we had in a long time.
This is powerful stuff. This is what I'm talking about when I say that fighting can be an act of love, of friends strengthening one another. This is way more appealing to me than some macho hard form martial arts class. It's just too bad that the friends doing this form of training live way out in the sticks and I don't get out there often enough. I never would have believed that getting punched in the gut would trigger a seminal, positive transition in my life, but it did.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7592506 - 11/03/07 08:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry to disappoint you.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: Icelander]
#7592630 - 11/03/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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You could never disappoint me.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7592684 - 11/03/07 09:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Come on dudes, it isn't inherently macho to enjoy a little good natured wrestling.
No. Icelander and I spent our vacation over the summer reading selected works of Middle English poetry while sipping cups of tea and eating crumpets. The tea of course was non caffeinated.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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That's what I thought. You guys are pretty much the biggest wasp pansies in the universe.
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Re: Real Life Fight Club [Re: NiamhNyx]
#7592780 - 11/03/07 10:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey, it's better than taking an ass whooping.
-------------------- "A warrior is a hunter. He calculates everything. That's control. Once his calculations are over, he acts. He lets go. That's abandon. A warrior is not a leaf at the mercy of the wind. No one can push him; no one can make him do things against himself or against his better judgment. A warrior is tuned to survive, and he survives in the best of all possible fashions." ― Carlos Castaneda
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mikebart101
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NiamhNyx knows exactly what I am talking about. Its so hard to be self aware of your abilities without being cocky that the only way to convey these abilities is through force.
A few weeks ago, me and one of my best friends got into a fight and it was a stalemate to say the least. This is a kid who has been banned from bars for fighting and standing up for his friends. But the next day he called me to discuss what happened, and to acknowledge the friendship we stood to lose to something so stupid.
It actually brought us closer together. The first real fight I was ever in was against my first friend I ever made. I fought him in 5th grade and I had been friends with him since pre-school. We are friends to this day because we can talk about what happened that day.
-------------------- So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice.
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