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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: 2end4]
    #7606504 - 11/07/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah if i can find the ingredients and somewhere to preform the evap. ill def do an extraction!!!!

then i will dose mad people!!!


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: pong]
    #7606531 - 11/07/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I wonder how many grams(or ounces) it would be if you skinned ALL that cactus and powdered it.


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: Robo]
    #7606664 - 11/07/07 12:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

grams of cactus? or mescaline?


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: pong]
    #7606668 - 11/07/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Cactus.


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: Robo]
    #7606669 - 11/07/07 12:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Actually, both :smirk:


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: Robo]
    #7606682 - 11/07/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i have until may to do this. i will be on the lookout for more cacti planted on state ground.

in may i will be at a 3 day hippie festival. i want to trip with people there it will be AWESOME!!

i even read winter is the best time to cut these for potency?

any truth in this or is it just rumor like these cubensis are more visual LOL i cant believe i bought that shit in the begining


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: pong]
    #7606694 - 11/07/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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i even read winter is the best time to cut these for potency?



I don't know if there's any truth to that....


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: cpw1971]
    #7606775 - 11/07/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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cpw1971 said:
  and uare,
  you say cuzco's are active?? I thought they weren't??




all cacti are active to some degree :tongue:


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7606929 - 11/07/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yeah I read somewhere the other day the even Pereskiopsis were lightly active.
but you know what I mean. I mean at least almost as active as Pedros?? I dunno I read somewhere about people getting cuzcos that were supposed to be Torches and they ate a few feet and notta.


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: cpw1971]
    #7607076 - 11/07/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

NOT all cacti are active.
That is absurd.
If you mean all trichos are active you would be closer to the truth but still not right on.

kk242 torches are reported to be inactive.
And I'm sure some other heavily inbred nursery strains are inactive as well.


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: El Zorro]
    #7607086 - 11/07/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

kk242 are now said to be cuzos and not torchs


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: El Zorro]
    #7607089 - 11/07/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hey thats what I read, it was the kk242 that people ate a few feet of with no effects :thumbup:


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: royer]
    #7607093 - 11/07/07 01:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

and thats why I was thinking cuzco's, because Cuzco's and KK242 are the same :tongue:
  maybe they should be  CC242's???  lol


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: cpw1971]
    #7607135 - 11/07/07 02:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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NOT all cacti are active.
That is absurd.




it is true that the majority, if not all cacti contain active alkaloids,
just the majority have such low concentrations that they are useless as a means of tripping.

heres some alkaloid info for ya cpw...





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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7607172 - 11/07/07 02:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

hmmm it says that San Pedro is as potent as Bridgesii and that Peruvianus is less potent??
  all I know is that that Bridgesii kicked the living shit outta me the other day :tongue:


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7607242 - 11/07/07 02:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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El Zorro said:
NOT all cacti are active.
That is absurd.




it is true that the majority, if not all cacti contain active alkaloids,
just the majority have such low concentrations that they are useless as a means of tripping.

heres some alkaloid info for ya cpw...








That list is all trichos.

It is absurd to say that all cacti are active.

c'mon


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: El Zorro]
    #7607326 - 11/07/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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El Zorro said:
That list is all trichos.

It is absurd to say that all cacti are active.

c'mon




all cacti contain active alkaloids, simple as that.
yes that list is trichocereus cos it is relevant to the discussion...
u could trip on myrtillocactus geometrizans if u ate like a mile of it...


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7607590 - 11/07/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

My research does not bear this out to be true.

My research suggests that MOST cacti produce alkaloids and that of these
the pharmacological activity of most of these is unknown.

So, as for ALL cacti being psychoactive, I don't believe it.


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7607623 - 11/07/07 04:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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uarewotueat said:
all cacti contain active alkaloids, simple as that.



Do you have a source?


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Re: Cactus ID please [Re: Robo]
    #7607847 - 11/07/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

to be completely honest with u, i couldnt really give a fuck, im into growing cacti for their beauty, not as a means of tripping...
the general consensus is that cacti produce alkaloids as a means of defence from predation, perhaps the activity of some of those alkaloids is undetermined at present :shrug:

here are some sources and things u might like to read.


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The phytochemistry of the cacti is also distinct. They contain rare primary compounds and unique secondary metabolites. First, the pigment compounds known as betacyanins (or betalains) are found in only a few orders of flowering plants. All other angiosperms contain either flavanoids, flavonols, or anthocyanins. Betacyanins are reddish compounds of the fruits and flowers, which are similar to anthocyanins but more complex due to their aromatic (nitrogen-containing) constituents. Other than in the cacti, betacyanins are found in the Chenopodiaceae (goosefoot and beet) and Portulacaceae (portulaca) families. The cacti also contain alkaloids, small organic compounds containing heterocyclic nitrogen. These secondary metabolites, derived from amino acids and used to move nitrogen throughout the plant, serve allelopathic functions to deter competing plants and plant eaters. Accumulating over time, they are found in highest potencies in the older plants. Because alkaloids are often bitter-tasting and or poisonous, many herbivores would rather starve than eat plants containing them. Also, since alkaloids are expelled through the plant' s roots, many nearby plants are outcompeted for light and water because they are chemically unable to process the toxins produced by their neighbors. There are, however, certain organisms (usually humans) that can metabolize these compounds and often enjoy them! Caffeine, nicotine, cocaine, and all hallucinogenic drugs contain alkaloids. Mescaline, the most commonly known alkaloid produced by the cacti, has been used in traditional religious settings by North and South American Indian tribes for thousands of years. It and other recreational and medicinal cacti will be discussed in the next section.





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There are several different methods of increasing the concentrations of alkaloids in most if not all species of Cactus. One of the main defenses of Cacti is to increase the production of protective alkaloids in response to numerous external stresses. The growing Cactus plant can be "stressed" in a number of ways to help increase the concentration of alkaloids prior to harvest. It should be noted that, since Cacti have a slow metabolism, it may take an entire growing season of stress to significantly affect alkaloid levels. Here are some of the most common and widely tested methods:




a list of species that are considered "narcotic"


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