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Re: Shamanism [Re: Silversoul]
    #7594226 - 11/04/07 01:32 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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I am a shaman, magician
The sun is purple
3D dimensions
I am for mental extensions.




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Re: Shamanism [Re: Veritas]
    #7594242 - 11/04/07 01:37 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Whether it is possible to be a Shaman or not, the definition is determined by the actions and abilities, not by the cultural acknowledgement and application of said actions and abilities.

yup. Hey, wasn't Jesus a Shaman?


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Re: Shamanism [Re: Icelander]
    #7594742 - 11/04/07 04:08 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Did Jesus live in Siberia?


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Re: Shamanism [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7594747 - 11/04/07 04:09 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

So it is said.:thumbup: What you think he was doing for all those "missing" years dude?


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Re: Shamanism [Re: Icelander]
    #7594780 - 11/04/07 04:23 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I heard he hanging out chewing peyote with the Native Americans in the southwest.


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Re: Shamanism [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #7594855 - 11/04/07 04:47 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I heard he was with Markos doing drops of liquid Acid and lounging around the pool.:thumbup: You know he likes to hang out with the sinners.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Shamanism [Re: Veritas]
    #7594873 - 11/04/07 04:51 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

I think our disagreement is essentially definitional. Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. :shrug:


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Re: Shamanism [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7594876 - 11/04/07 04:53 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

That means we win.:monkeydance:


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Re: Shamanism [Re: Icelander]
    #7594881 - 11/04/07 04:55 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

In your dreams! :smirk:


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Re: Shamanism [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7594884 - 11/04/07 04:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

There too. It's all dreaming darlin.:thumbup:


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Re: Shamanism [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7594885 - 11/04/07 04:57 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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NiamhNyx said:
I think our disagreement is essentially definitional. Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. :shrug:




That's fine, but remember--"my" definition is the one in the dictionary!  :smirk:

AND demanding that everyone adhere to a standard principle is not very anarchistic of you.  :wink:


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Re: Shamanism [Re: Veritas]
    #7594906 - 11/04/07 05:02 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

That's right and I hope she don't forget.:mad:


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Re: Shamanism [Re: Veritas]
    #7594923 - 11/04/07 05:06 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Well mmmyyyy definition comes from my anthropology professor, so there. :tongue: :lol:

That's a low blow lady. When I'm king of the revolution everyone will subscribe to the correct (my) worldview and we'll all live in a paradise on earth with no bosses, politicians or wars. I won't need to coerce anyone because they will be won to my perspective through my flawless logic and incredible charisma. :smirk:


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Re: Shamanism [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7594944 - 11/04/07 05:11 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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my flawless logic and incredible charisma




Bring it on.


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Re: Shamanism [Re: Veritas]
    #7594976 - 11/04/07 05:19 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: Shamanism [Re: Veritas]
    #7595827 - 11/04/07 08:53 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Honey, it's already been brought.;)


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Re: Shamanism [Re: Veritas]
    #7597463 - 11/05/07 08:14 AM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Something that is painfully irritating to me is how many people think they can just become a shaman by deciding that they are one, or by paying for a class that guides them through some "initiation" process. The definition of a shaman is a person who is culturally recognized as being able to leave thier body, journey to the culture's spirit land, interact with spirits and return to thier body with knowledge. You cannot just decide to be a shaman and be one. If your culture does not have a shamanic tradition, you will never be one. You are of course free to experiment with your consciousness in whatever way you please, but it is terribly disrespectful to the shamanic cultures to ape thier traditions and pretend you can intitiate yourself into something you don't understand.

There is also the fact that the process of becoming a shaman (in cultures that have this pattern) is extremely difficult and often life threatening. I sincerely doubt that any of the weekend courses white folks take come even close to what is involved in the tradition.




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Your definition is not correct. It is a popularized, generalized definition of the term, a different use of the word entirely. My definition and views on the matter come from, and are broadly accepted in, the field of anthropology. Yeah, there can be a lot to criticize about anthropology. I won't pretend it's flawless, but this is where I'm coming from. A priest is a different kind of thing entirely. There may be some parallels and crossovers, but priest and shaman are essentially different social roles.




Anthropology, if I am not mistaken, studies the way things have been done in human cultures.  This does not mean that what is studied can never be done differently, or that the definitions of the past are the only valid ones.  "My" definition comes from the dictionary, and reflects the etymology of the term.  As anthropology views everything through the lens of cultural embeddedness, it is to be expected that this field would define a Shaman as being culturally-determined.

Again, I say that these imposed limitations are elitist and inaccurate.  Whether it is possible to be a Shaman or not, the definition is determined by the actions and abilities, not by the cultural acknowledgement and application of said actions and abilities.




I'm going to go with my usual all-encompassing/integral-like way of understanding and say that in my opinion, I think its both culturally determined and also based on inner abilities and actions.  I see shamanism and shamans in essence as the primordial psychologist/psychotherapist, an innerspace explorer and healer. These common patterns of social role and inner mentality/being/consciousness has been expressed differently and changed throughout cultures and history.

Don't get me wrong, I think its silly when someone calls themselves a shaman as well after just reading some books or attending a workshop, but the actual role or archetype of what the shaman embodies, I think is somewhat expressed, but fragmented across the modern fields of medicine, psychology, ecology, etc.

Don't know if that makes sense to anyone, but just the way I look at it.  :shrug:


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Re: Shamanism [Re: OMniversal]
    #7598529 - 11/05/07 03:28 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

well the all important thing as i said is

A. they heal people and taking on that role via rituals and what have you.(this covers the whole preist hoodness and such)
B. they have a following a clan,tribe,cult,ect

to put things in the most basic easy to understand way.


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Re: Shamanism [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7598882 - 11/05/07 05:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

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Honey, it's already been brought.;)




We didn't notice.:lol:


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Re: Shamanism [Re: NiamhNyx]
    #7599337 - 11/05/07 07:16 PM (13 years, 11 months ago)

Something that is painfully irritating to me is how many people think they can just become a shaman by deciding that they are one, or by paying for a class that guides them through some "initiation" process.

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/7345595#Post7345595 :thumbup:


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