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emilbus
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Wild vs. Home Grown
#7587127 - 11/02/07 10:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i did a search and couldn't find anything so here it is. are wild mushrooms more potent then home grown? I'm talking about the cube mushies you find in cow shit vs. ones you grow from the spores (obviously). can i get a link on spores and get the most potency possible, if that makes any sense.
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: emilbus]
#7587472 - 11/02/07 11:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have a book called the Psychedelic Encyclopedia (although, it is outdated) and it says that outdoors wild cubes look and appear to be more robust but homegrown cubes are a little more potent, although they don't appear to be from just a casual glance.
I'm not claiming any validity to this, just that's what I've always read and assumed. I'm sure since the book is so old we've proven that wrong with modern science, but it's the only details I know on the topic.
Hope that helped at all.
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: Dave Bowman]
#7587514 - 11/02/07 11:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It all depends on the substrain.
Multispore inoculation (what happens in the wild and if you use spores at home) is a bit of a lottery.
On the other hand, a hardy clone or a agar selected substrain can be much more potent than a multispore grow
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: Nibin]
#7587534 - 11/02/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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So is it safe to say (im new to this) that if you clone a potent mushroom, get a print from it, and use thuse spores, you will have a more potent mushroom batch? and then you could repeat the process untill you had you a super potent shroom (who cares what it looks like)
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: Slimz]
#7587814 - 11/02/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Slimz said: So is it safe to say (im new to this) that if you clone a potent mushroom, get a print from it, and use thuse spores, you will have a more potent mushroom batch? and then you could repeat the process until you had you a super potent shroom (who cares what it looks like)
actually that's not the case at all. A spore print contains hundreds of thousands of genetic variants from it's donor mushroom. It's very much like human reproduction in that a single ejaculation contains millions of sperm, each with it's only slightly different set of genetic information...
Cloning is not even a guarantee that you'll get the precise set of genetics from the donor that you're looking for because if you took several samples from the same fruit body - even if they're relatively close to each other - you could end up with very different results when you fruited those clones.
--- And in regards to potency, that's just a crap-shoot altogether because unless you have a lab that extract and quantifiably determine precisely how much active was contained in a given fruit, you'd have no idea which specimens to target for cloning. Even if you did, because cloning is not creating true pure genetic clones, you'll still not get very far.
 As always, YMMV...
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: Dave Bowman]
#7587828 - 11/02/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Synthettek said: I have a book called the Psychedelic Encyclopedia (although, it is outdated) and it says that outdoors wild cubes look and appear to be more robust but homegrown cubes are a little more potent, although they don't appear to be from just a casual glance.
This is a slightly "safer" bet only because they're grown in a controlled environment where they're being supplied with as close to ideal growth parameters and nutrients as possible...thus more "wimpy" fruits survive. Out in the field only the strongest survive so the one mushroom you see growing was the fittest and most healthy specimen possible. Also being exposed to the elements and having to deal with things like rain and wind, they tend to be meatier and, as you mentioned, "more robust".
This parallels outdoor grows of cannabis as well. If you look at the stems and stalks of an indoor plant .vs. an outdoor grown plant you can see right away which one is stronger. However, in my humble opinion, the correlation between environment and potency would be strained at best.
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: mycocurious]
#7587936 - 11/02/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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thing is, that substrain that survived outdoors might be, say for example, a better fruiter than the others at low humidity levels, but it has nothing to do with potency.
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: mycocurious]
#7587971 - 11/02/07 01:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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A convincing argument can be made for each premise. When it comes right down to it, genetics plays the biggest role, wild or cultivated. My guess would be given the EXACT same genetics, a cultivated mushroom and a wild one would be indistinguishable from a POTENCY standpoint. I agree they'll likely LOOK different, but beauty is only skin deep, as they say. I buried what I thought were contaminated trays (hey, I was noob!) and they fruited beautifully outside. Don't think you would consider them "wild" but I have to tell you the potency was the same as my cultivated shrooms as far as I could tell.
After genetics, nutrient availability, water, temperature, fresh air, light, all at the right times and in the right proportions would impact the YIELD, and this is where cultivated stands a good chance of trumping wild. This, of course, assumes a knowledgeable and caring cultivator.
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: Nature Boy]
#7588268 - 11/02/07 03:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nutrient availability will probably affect potency also.
This has all to do with the concepts of Genotype and Fenotype (wiki it if you want more details)
Imagine a man whose genetic code says he will be 6 ft tall.Lets say this guy doesn't get enough vitamin D at a time of his life, he won't grow to his full genetic potential, and maybe only measure 5ft 6 in. Or if he was given growth hormone he might measure 6ft 4 in.
Genetics is everything, but only in potentia
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: mycocurious]
#7602241 - 11/06/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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mycocurious said: This is a slightly "safer" bet only because they're grown in a controlled environment where they're being supplied with as close to ideal growth parameters and nutrients as possible...thus more "wimpy" fruits survive. Out in the field only the strongest survive so the one mushroom you see growing was the fittest and most healthy specimen possible. Also being exposed to the elements and having to deal with things like rain and wind, they tend to be meatier and, as you mentioned, "more robust".
Understandable. I mean, it seems to make sense, but I didn't want to outright and say something I wasn't positive was completely accurate.
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: Dave Bowman]
#7602296 - 11/06/07 11:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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potency is genetic.
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: Dave Bowman]
#7603149 - 11/06/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Synthettek said: I didn't want to outright and say something I wasn't positive was completely accurate.
I, on the other hand, am completely willing to go out on a limb and say whatever I believe is correct (assuming I've done some research and I'm not just quoting the Bureau of Statistics (B.S.)) with the hopes that if I am wrong, someone will quickly correct me so that I may learn as well...
Problem is, the more often you're willing to do it, the less often you end up being wrong. That whole damned "learning process" thing...
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: Dave Bowman]
#7603889 - 11/06/07 05:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hydroponic mushrooms are more potent then feild mushrooms, it's like comparing outdoor pot to hydro, hydro is always more potent.
When we cultivate at home we are controlling every aspect of nutrient media, bulk spawn, casing material, enviormental factors.... not to mention when you get into strain isolation....
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Re: Wild vs. Home Grown [Re: Pr0_X]
#7603965 - 11/06/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pr0_X said: Hydroponic mushrooms are more potent then feild mushrooms, it's like comparing outdoor pot to hydro, hydro is always more potent.
When we cultivate at home we are controlling every aspect of nutrient media, bulk spawn, casing material, enviormental factors.... not to mention when you get into strain isolation....
The point of a hydro system is to grow without soil and use water to carry nutes through a closed system (soiless mixes count - verm, peat, perlite, ect., that is a soil without nutes) and you NEED a nutritiouse (soil) medium to grow in. NO SUCH THING AS HYDRO SHROOMS!
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