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Blindness and Hallucinogens
    #7585915 - 11/01/07 10:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hello. I was conversing with a blind girl in her 20's today when the subject of LSD and hallucinogens came up, which she has zero experience with. But she was curious about the effects of LSD (specifically) though I had some difficulty explaining them to her for obvious reasons. I broached the topic of synesthesia (e.g. tasting colors) then remembered that in her case synesthesia would involve the blending of her non-visual senses such as sound and touch, (if at all). She's been blind since birth.

Does anyone have any first, second, or even third-hand experience with taking hallucinogens while blind? I'd be extremely curious about the effects since I always think of visuals first with hallucinogens. This girl expressed no burning desire to trip but I'm just wondering if anyone out there has any input and/or experience on this topic...


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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: Land_Crab]
    #7585972 - 11/01/07 10:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this is an age-old question among drug users, but as far as i know no one really knows how a blind person would experience hallucinogens.


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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: SampaJasli]
    #7585983 - 11/01/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There could be ways to tell, but it would have to be done with a person who was not BORN blind.


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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: Crystal G]
    #7586015 - 11/01/07 10:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've been trying to come up with ideas that I could use as a topic for my doctorate dissertation... maybe this would be a good idea. Ok, maybe not because of the whole LSD-being-illegal thing, but it is an interesting topic.


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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: Crystal G]
    #7586020 - 11/01/07 10:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

My mother has been blind since I was 5. This has always been of interest to me. The best I have come up with is that they trip like we do but in their own way.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/dosearch.php?terms=blind


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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: Land_Crab]
    #7586065 - 11/01/07 11:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ight im gonna throw down somethin that happened to me while being on acid, NOT knowing i took acid, this happened in the span of a minute maybe at a bonfire

im bullshittin and philosophisin and outta nowhere my brain cracks, i stop, mad shook, "me:did anyone else hear that?" "p:your brain just cracked?" "me:yeaaaa!!""j:me too!!"
"j: wow close your eyes i can see a marijuana leaf everytime i close them"
"me: wtf omg, thats crazy"
"everyone:what what do you see"
"i cant explain it, yall will think im crazy"(holdin my head)
"explain what?"
my boy paul turns to me
"p:you can see with your eyes closed?"
"me:yeaahhh, i close my eyes and i swear i can see blue outlines of everything around me!"

i never realized what happened til i found out i took acid almost a YEAR later, which is funny cuz i was convinced i was the only one to have a bad trip on G-spots, but it did explain my boy finishin my sentences and the awe of my reality twisting in on itself, so i feel a lil less strange
end of story drugs are powerful, you never kno wtf is gonna happen


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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: Konyap]
    #7586327 - 11/02/07 01:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've also been interested in this, If I were blind, I would pass on shrooms and lsd and jump straight into Salvia and DMT space for full effects that only last minutes! Is that too extreme or a no nonsense, straight to the point approach?


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    #7586331 - 11/02/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: PJDIDDLE]
    #7586351 - 11/02/07 01:17 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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The visual effects are usually the topic touched least when im describing a psychedelic experience. :shrug:




True...  I just assumed since the post was about a visually impaired person, that's what people would wonder about the most is if they would see anything when they tripped.  As far as other effects, I'm sure they would be similar to a normal person, but maybe since they're blind, their other senses are somewhat more developed and might cause weirder distortions...


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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: c0_hush]
    #7587357 - 11/02/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

might a blind persons visual centers of the brain be stimulated by LSD regardless of their lack of vision. Because someone is blind doesn't necessarily mean they lack that part of their brain, and so it seams feasible to me that they could experience a true visualization, free of the influences of conventional sight. very interesting.

On another note I should probably think less about this lest I blind myself and try it out due to sheer curiosity.


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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: Somatic]
    #7587484 - 11/02/07 11:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.fds.org.au/pdf/FactSheet12_Psyco.pdf states: "Blind subjects who take LSD in experimental situations do not experience any visual illusions at all. ‘Hallucinations’ are usually warped visual exaggerations of ‘what is actually present’, and should be more properly referred to as ‘illusions’.

But then again, the document doesn't provide a reference to this so called "experimental situation", and has a rather anal and negative description of what psychedelics are and their effects, doesn't mention any of the positive effects at all.

http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/journals/psychoactives_journal3.shtml

"Krill, et al. (25), did a double-blind controlled test with 24 blind subjects. Thirteen of 24 subjects including some with bilateral enucleations reported visual hallucinations with LSD, making it evident that a normal retina is not needed for visual hallucinations to be produced by hallucinogenic drugs. The ERG in 2 blind subjects with total optic atrophy was similar to those seen in normals with LSD but these blind subjects did not have hallucinations. Hallucinations occurred in blind subjects reporting prior spontaneous visual activity. (Two previous uncontrolled studies(27,28) had reported visual hallucinations in blind subjects on hallucinogenic drugs while one study(29) reported no visual hallucinations produced in 2 subjects with bilateral optic atrophy.) It was concluded that LSD hallucinations can occur without a functioning retina and that LSD causes independent retinal and higher visual pathway effects. That the visual system must be at a minimum functioning level is evidenced by the fact that some spontaneous visual activity must be present for hallucinations to occur.

The site of origin cannot be determined by the type of visual hallucinations produced. Simple or complex visual hallucinations have been reported with stimulation of the optic radiation, optic tract, optic chiasm and optic nerve by tumors in man(30). Thus the precise site of the origin of LSD hallucinations is not yet pin-pointed, but it is clear that LSD has effects (some of which are presumed to be hypoxic or toxic) on many levels of optic pathways. It is the proposal of paper that, with continued and repeated use of LSD, some of these effects may come permanent or semipermanent and long outlast the effects of the individual dose. The resultant changes may be hypoxic or toxic effects on the retina, spontaneous potentials in the visual systems, disorders in synaptic transmission, or some yet undiscovered reaction. It is not determined why some patients seem to be more sensitive to these effects than others.

It should also be noted that the visual system is not the only one affected by LSD as auditory, tactile and olfactory hallucinations have also been reported in the acute state."


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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: c0_hush]
    #7588374 - 11/02/07 03:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sure it would be very overwhelming, what would they think about?


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Re: Blindness and Hallucinogens [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7588776 - 11/02/07 05:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Its kinda sad to think about actually...I don't know why. :sad:


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