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Is there a college major in psychdelics?
#7585389 - 11/01/07 07:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thats ALL the interest I have in life. seriously. i have no passion for shit except for drugs that cause an altered state of mind, mystical drugs like shrooms, cactuses, etc. I really wish to major in this if possible.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7585396 - 11/01/07 07:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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at some colleges you can establish your own very distinct major
i have no idea what kind of job you'd be able to get later in life though with a major like Psychedelic Studies or something
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: meatcakeman]
#7585402 - 11/01/07 08:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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the psychadelics majors are the guys who are hanging around the college campus years after they graduated.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: moon_glue]
#7585416 - 11/01/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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do psychedelics spark interest in any other area for you? physics? psychology? anthropology? philosophy? linguistics?
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7585437 - 11/01/07 08:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pharmacology and then specialize. Or pull a Shulgin and study pharmacology and biochemistry if you really want to be a bad ass.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: robbyberto]
#7585469 - 11/01/07 08:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Since you're naming psychoactive plants, I suggest you go with botanicals, and learn the entheogenic shit as a bonus on the side.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7585479 - 11/01/07 08:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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rungold315 said: Thats ALL the interest I have in life. seriously. i have no passion for shit except for drugs that cause an altered state of mind
I pity you. That existence is very narrow and closed. There is a whole universe of shit out there. Probably, as you get older, you will learn to appreciate other things.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: DieCommie]
#7585489 - 11/01/07 08:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: I pity you. That existence is very narrow and closed. There is a whole universe of shit out there. Probably, as you get older, you will learn to appreciate other things.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7585627 - 11/01/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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it depends on how you want to apply the psychedelic aspect.
if you're interested in the pharmacology of these things, then aim for the chemistry field, or even get into a neuroscience.
if you dig therapeutic applications, go for psychology.
if their historical usage interests you, then i'd recommend something along the lines of anthropology.
to say you just want to major in psychedelics is a very vague goal and will not get you very far, especially since in our current time, this field of interest is not encouraged by most educational institutions.
i think your best bet would be for you to decide on a common major and try to specialize in that field which might open up opportunities for you to eventually pursue psychedelic studies.
perhaps then you could even join a research organization such as MAPs and help them to develop their studies so that someday in the future young people in our world may be able to check a psychedelic major on their college applications.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: AlteredAgain]
#7585639 - 11/01/07 09:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is really sad. Use drugs to enrich your life or maybe add a bit of spice, they shouldn't define your life.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Nem]
#7585673 - 11/01/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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www.maps.org it's the multidisciplinary association for psychedelic studies. i'm a member and it's pretty cool. they give you advice for pursuing a college education more-so specifically towards psychedelics.
I can say, for myself, that I also have a very 'professional'/educational interest in psychedelics. i'm currently double-majoring in philosophy and behavioural neuroscience (maybe you'll like them?)
as AlteredAgain said, what is it, exactly, that interests you about psychedelics? I was kind of interested in the botany of it.. but then i realized i'm not too great with biology and chemistry, so i found philosophy.
And there's absolutely nothing wrong with being that passionate about psychedelic drugs. Everyone finds their specific interest in life. Is there anything pathetic about being a cardiosurgeon? (Oh damn, what a close-minded fool, there's soooo many more parts of the body than just the heart!). No. If you're honestly interested in psychedelics, beyond that of "whoa! I'm so fucked up right now!" then I encourage that you try to find your little spot in the world of academia.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7585675 - 11/01/07 09:22 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol 'cactuses'
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: CantiSama]
#7585691 - 11/01/07 09:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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DieCommie said: I pity you. That existence is very narrow and closed. There is a whole universe of shit out there. Probably, as you get older, you will learn to appreciate other things.
I do agree with this entirely. Get some other stuff in your life man.
That being said, I'd just like to add that I knew a guy who was on the college path you desire, minus the title. It might have even been like shulgin's deal... I cannot remember right now. All I can remember is that he had some good lsd, and that was chill.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7585723 - 11/01/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Philosophy major, Religious Studies minor.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7585900 - 11/01/07 10:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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At the college I went to, there was this one "design your own major" program, and a friend of mine majored in consciousness. That's about as close as I've heard to a psychedelic major.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: DieCommie]
#7585908 - 11/01/07 10:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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rungold315 said: Thats ALL the interest I have in life. seriously. i have no passion for shit except for drugs that cause an altered state of mind
I pity you. That existence is very narrow and closed. There is a whole universe of shit out there. Probably, as you get older, you will learn to appreciate other things.
If someone is only motivated in studying 1 thing, there's nothing wrong with that. Just because it's drugs doesn't mean it's bad. To each his own...anyone could say your main interests are worthless, just as easily as you can, ya know?
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Re: Is there a college major in psychedelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7585942 - 11/01/07 10:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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"Mom, Dad...I want to study psychedelics"
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Re: Is there a college major in psychedelics? [Re: Boom]
#7585991 - 11/01/07 10:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Majoring in psychedelics... I'm sorry but I've laughed out loud numerous times while I read this. I'm not even insulting the OP, just the idea that this conjures up to me is pretty damn funny. What does it mean to "major" in psychedelics; that makes no sense. It's just too vague.
What use are you going to be of others simply due to the fact you've tripped hundreds of times? I think that is the question.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7585993 - 11/01/07 10:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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rungold315 said: Thats ALL the interest I have in life. seriously. i have no passion for shit except for drugs that cause an altered state of mind
I pity you. That existence is very narrow and closed. There is a whole universe of shit out there. Probably, as you get older, you will learn to appreciate other things.
If someone is only motivated in studying 1 thing, there's nothing wrong with that. Just because it's drugs doesn't mean it's bad. To each his own...anyone could say your main interests are worthless, just as easily as you can, ya know?
I dunno, with the way he phrased it, he sounds more just like somebody who's got an escapist personality.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Crystal G]
#7586046 - 11/01/07 11:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I remember a time when psychedelics were the one thing I was really enthusiastic about. But interestingly enough, it seems like it was through psychedelics that I discovered some of my other hobbies and interests that now are more prominent in my life.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7586093 - 11/01/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm in the individualized study school of nyu, we're allowed to major in whatever we want. We just have to come up with a name. One kid last year majored in love, I'm sure psychedelics could be done.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7586116 - 11/01/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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biology is awesome if you want to challenge yourself... cells are pretty trippy things, their rates of fuckups are way lower than us and they act robotically.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: razmablues]
#7586142 - 11/01/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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don't go to college?
shrooms teach us the only real schooling is the school of hard knocks.
godless college professors just make you educated stupid
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: truekimbo2]
#7586188 - 11/02/07 12:02 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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nothing wrong with education if you're interested in it
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Silversoul]
#7586359 - 11/02/07 01:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No one ever says they want to be a junkie when they grow up.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7586385 - 11/02/07 01:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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heard of ethnobotany / ethnopharmacology?
that might interest you.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: truekimbo2]
#7586572 - 11/02/07 03:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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truekimbo2 said: don't go to college?
shrooms teach us the only real schooling is the school of hard knocks.
godless college professors just make you educated stupid
"The Religious/Academic Oneness Brotherhood destroys the Brain's ability to think opposite of singularity trash taught. Such reduced Brain intelligence begets the student a tag of SnotBrain android - encapable of comprehending absolute proof of 4 Days rotating simultaneously within a single rotation of Earth. Cubics comprehend it. You are a Cubic Thinker, or SnotBrain. "
I'd rather know about what is happening in my reality than just dick off and take drugs and work a 20k a year job...=)
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7586687 - 11/02/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you really want to conduct controlled, clinical studies, you need to realize that it'll take a 4 year degree with above average grades to get into graduate school. Then probably 5 years of graduate school, then another 2-3 of a post doc.
The fact that it takes actual work dissuades a lot of people from pursuing this career.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
#7586774 - 11/02/07 07:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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visions i don't understand what going to college has to do with knowing whats going on in your reality
also i don't know what anything has to do with taking drugs and dicking off making 20k a year.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
#7586777 - 11/02/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, no one except badchad a little has mentioned that their really arent many established degree programs that focus on such a narrow area. WHile you can certainly tailer your grad degree to whatever you like, unless you jerry-rig some degree at your school, you'll find most are way more broad. How are you going to understand shit if you haven't taken the biochem, microbiology, chemistry, and other bio to grasp how psychadelics work? While you can very well teach yourself these things, a university degree in biochem or some biology degree such as pharm. or microbiology will prolly be as closs as you'll come
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
#7586955 - 11/02/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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neuroscience
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Merkin]
#7587302 - 11/02/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Merkin said: heard of ethnobotany
that might interest you.
I can't see somebody making any money off that, unless they were to start their own peyote farms and distribute them (not a good idea if you are in the US).
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Crystal G]
#7587324 - 11/02/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Merkin said: heard of ethnobotany
that might interest you.
I can't see somebody making any money off that, unless they were to start their own peyote farms and distribute them (not a good idea if you are in the US).
I'm a philosophy major. Try making money with that.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
#7587410 - 11/02/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea philosophy and mathematics really are just degrees you could get teaching jobs with... statistics have shown that 75% of the time, your major in college actually has nothing to do with your actual career you end up getting anyway. seriously, my dad knew a guy who graduated at HARVARD in law and ended up being a goddamn taxi driver in new york cause of lack of job opportunities at the time.
anyway to the thread starter, you should become a crooked cop. if you arent dumb as shit, you might even get promoted to detective
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
#7587424 - 11/02/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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badchad said: If you really want to conduct controlled, clinical studies, you need to realize that it'll take a 4 year degree with above average grades to get into graduate school. Then probably 5 years of graduate school, then another 2-3 of a post doc.
The fact that it takes actual work dissuades a lot of people from pursuing this career.
Isn't graduate school usually only 2 years? am I thinking of like a master's?
anyways, i think all you need to do is go to medical school to conduct medical studies (on humans). which takes approximately 8 years.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
#7587425 - 11/02/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm a political science major and I have thought about one day getting involved in Drug policy. Try a little industrial sabatoge you know? I would either do law school or get take a masters approach to policy analysis. Each would offer different paths to the world of Drug Reform.
But it's not like Drug Policy is the ONLY interest I have.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: johnm214]
#7587442 - 11/02/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: yeah, no one except badchad a little has mentioned that their really arent many established degree programs that focus on such a narrow area. WHile you can certainly tailer your grad degree to whatever you like, unless you jerry-rig some degree at your school, you'll find most are way more broad. How are you going to understand shit if you haven't taken the biochem, microbiology, chemistry, and other bio to grasp how psychadelics work? While you can very well teach yourself these things, a university degree in biochem or some biology degree such as pharm. or microbiology will prolly be as closs as you'll come
I completely agree with this statement. People actually understand the full perspective of the material better if they learn what those drugs do in terms of biology, its relation to human anatomy, physiology, neurology, and such to attain the bigger picture. because they all work in SYNC with each other. and of course chemistry and physics is a mandatory subject in anything science-related.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
#7587526 - 11/02/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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AnarchoTrip said: I'm a philosophy major. Try making money with that.
I was going to do philosophy but then switched to sociology with the strange idea that it might be slightly more helpful in getting a job. Shows what I know. Also, I developed a massive headache from reading Heidegger.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Silversoul]
#7587655 - 11/02/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Isn't graduate school usually only 2 years? am I thinking of like a master's?
anyways, i think all you need to do is go to medical school to conduct medical studies (on humans). which takes approximately 8 years.
A Ph.D in the "biological sciences" (e.g. biology, pharmacology, neuroscience, biochemistry etc.) takes about 5 years. After that, theoretically, you could be a Principal investigator overseeing a research study. In reality, you need another 2-3 years of a post doc to become an assistant professor and be a PI on a protocol. Even at that point, a faculty position at a University will be very competitive. It is not uncommon for people to do 2 post-docs.
You do not need an MD to conduct human studies. However, many protocols will require an MD to be within a certain distance, or on site, depending on the drugs used and the protocol.
Nowadays, many graduate programs are becoming "interdisciplinary". That is, you determine what specific department/major you want to obtain your PhD in AFTER you are accepted into the school. Once you enter a specific department, the faculty will be using vastly different techniques and specializing in very focused areas.
Thus, your undergraduate major really doesn't matter that much if you know your ultimate, end goal.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
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anyways, i think all you need to do is go to medical school to conduct medical studies (on humans). which takes approximately 8 years.
A Ph.D in the "biological sciences" (e.g. biology, pharmacology, neuroscience, biochemistry etc.) takes about 5 years. After that, theoretically, you could be a Principal investigator overseeing a research study. In reality, you need another 2-3 years of a post doc to become an assistant professor and be a PI on a protocol. Even at that point, a faculty position at a University will be very competitive. It is not uncommon for people to do 2 post-docs.
You do not need an MD to conduct human studies. However, many protocols will require an MD to be within a certain distance, or on site, depending on the drugs used and the protocol.
Nowadays, many graduate programs are becoming "interdisciplinary". That is, you determine what specific department/major you want to obtain your PhD in AFTER you are accepted into the school. Once you enter a specific department, the faculty will be using vastly different techniques and specializing in very focused areas.
Thus, your undergraduate major really doesn't matter that much if you know your ultimate, end goal.
eh? I thought biology was the 4 year course you take as an undergrad, and then you progress onto a more specific field in the advanced PhD degrees. but biology is generally the major you take first in university, to gain acceptance to these fields right?
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Crystal G]
#7587797 - 11/02/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nowadays, the large majority of graduate programs are becoming "interdisciplinary". So what happens is this: Neuroscience majors, biochemistry majors, biology majors, biochem majors ALL apply to a single "graduate school". This is why the undergraduate major doesn't really matter, because many different degrees all end up in the same place.
Once they are accepted into this, single school/program they then matriculate into their specific degree programs after the first year or two. During this time, they get exposure through "lab rotations" to see where they want to do their thesis work.
This is because once you obtain your Ph.D and look for a job, you are judged on the papers you publish, and the work that you do; not the degree title.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
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alright, now i get what youre saying.
does the same apply if you want to conduct research experiments on animals? would being a veterinarian be a good enough qualification?
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Crystal G]
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Yes. Thats the same way you do animal research. (get an undergrad degree then go to graduate school).
I am not sure about veterinarians and what they can/cannot do (experimentally or otherwise). I would assume veterinarians can experiment on animals, this is probably how things like surgical techniques in animals are evaluated.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: moon_glue]
#7587916 - 11/02/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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moon_glue said: the psychadelics majors are the guys who are hanging around the college campus years after they graduated.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
#7587988 - 11/02/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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badchad said: Yes. Thats the same way you do animal research. (get an undergrad degree then go to graduate school).
I am not sure about veterinarians and what they can/cannot do (experimentally or otherwise). I would assume veterinarians can experiment on animals, this is probably how things like surgical techniques in animals are evaluated.
I'd imagine a vet could only do limited experiments on certain animals, and not on wild animals... you'd probably have to go to graduate school and specialize in zoology medicine to get your work published in the states.
That's about the only boundary I can construe at the moment.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Crystal G]
#7588221 - 11/02/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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naw, you can do whatever research you want whenever you want. The cost will be a problem, and no one will give you a grant.
And the journal's will be less likely to accept your papers. But there's really no inborn reason you can't do your own thing, the bitch will be to find someone to publish
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: johnm214]
#7588264 - 11/02/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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didnt bother readin the replies so this has allready maybe been said;
try to use psycadelics to find inspiriation in life, i know where you are.. i understand you, but you are on a negative path.. its not negative to have intrests in psycadelics, its negative when psycadelics are the only thing you are intrested in. they say marijuana isnt harmfull but i keep seein people, lots of them actually, that devote their life to sit on their ass and smoke marijuana and doent do jack shit elsewhere. Thats addiction and i would go as far and say you have developed some sort of addiction for psycadelics, this addiction cannot be blamed on psycadelics but on you tho, you need some motivation in life.-. you dont want to devote your life to psycadelics just because your in this loop where you think psycadelics are the greatest thing ever or whatever. why be a part of society when you can go into the forrest, eat mushrooms and be buddha for a day, right? next time you trip, try to think what you want to do with your life besides doin mind altering drugs perhaps, meditate on it and find your path in life.
there is no spesific studies for just mind altering drugs but pharmacology, anthropology , ethnobotany are maybe of intrest. maybe one of those is your path
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: johnm214]
#7588328 - 11/02/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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johnm214 said: naw, you can do whatever research you want whenever you want. The cost will be a problem, and no one will give you a grant.
And the journal's will be less likely to accept your papers. But there's really no inborn reason you can't do your own thing, the bitch will be to find someone to publish
thats true for out of country experiments maybe, or experiments done in your own basement, but dont "legitimate" research experiments normally have to get approved by some branch of the FDA-related government? especially of course, if they involve scheduled substances... i've heard its pretty difficult to get one of those forms for a study passed, it can almost never be written up alone.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Silversoul]
#9267361 - 11/18/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hey, I can appreciate such a specific interest. First off, you have to recognise that all the most interesting pursuits are going to involve some serious academic work. Master's degree minimum and eventually a PhD. Ethnobotany is a unique area that's focussed on the study of the use of psychedelics in various cultures. This is traditional use. Yage in the jungle...not acid at a rock concert. Hang on to your interests and eventually something may come of it...or perhaps you'll end up being a burn-out clerking at a 7-11 store. Your choice. Dee
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: drdee]
#9267643 - 11/18/08 05:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago) |
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You can study psychedelic (and other) drugs without a PhD and 2-3 years of postdoctoral work. I knew people in graduate school who were working towards MSc degrees and were allowed to work with cocaine. Another friend of mine who has an MSc degree does analytical testing of controlled substances which have been confiscated by the police (makes me think I should ask her about what she actually finds on blotter and how much of it). Of course, if you want to be able to direct your own research, then you're going to have better chances with a PhD and postdoctoral study experience. However, I have known people to own small pharmaceutical firms with MSc degrees.
Personally, I think that if you want to study drugs, you're much better to start off as an undergraduate in chemistry or biochemistry and not biology.
I suspect too that if the OP did get into one of these fields that he'd find something else more interesting. When I first got into chemistry, I thought all I'd ever want to know about was the organic chemistry of drugs, but it didn't take long before I found a lot more topics to be a lot more interesting.
edit - Also, you can't study psychedelics in a vacuum. Any topic you look at should be looked at with respect to anything relating to it. For example, with psychedelics you can study their chemistry, right down to stereoelectronics and synthesis. Then you can look at their biochemistry: how do they bind to receptors? What factors in their chemistry makes a drug bind to one receptor? How does enzymatic metabolism of any given psychedelic work? Does the drug alter gene expression? Then you can go from their to their cell biology and neurobiology: how does antagonism of one receptor by a given drug alter function in another part of the gene? How does signal transduction work to cause release of neurotransmitters? In order to understand any of that, you have to learn the background information.
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