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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Crystal G]
    #7587797 - 11/02/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Nowadays, the large majority of graduate programs are becoming "interdisciplinary". So what happens is this: Neuroscience majors, biochemistry majors, biology majors, biochem majors ALL apply to a single "graduate school". This is why the undergraduate major doesn't really matter, because many different degrees all end up in the same place.

Once they are accepted into this, single school/program they then matriculate into their specific degree programs after the first year or two. During this time, they get exposure through "lab rotations" to see where they want to do their thesis work.

This is because once you obtain your Ph.D and look for a job, you are judged on the papers you publish, and the work that you do; not the degree title.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
    #7587837 - 11/02/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

alright, now i get what youre saying.

does the same apply if you want to conduct research experiments on animals? would being a veterinarian be a good enough qualification?


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Invisiblebadchad
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Crystal G]
    #7587909 - 11/02/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. Thats the same way you do animal research. (get an undergrad degree then go to graduate school).

I am not sure about veterinarians and what they can/cannot do (experimentally or otherwise). I would assume veterinarians can experiment on animals, this is probably how things like surgical techniques in animals are evaluated.


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...the whole experience is (and is as) a profound piece of knowledge.  It is an indellible experience; it is forever known.  I have known myself in a way I doubt I would have ever occurred except as it did.

Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: moon_glue]
    #7587916 - 11/02/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

moon_glue said:
the psychadelics majors are the guys who are hanging around the college campus years after they graduated.





hahaha


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
    #7587988 - 11/02/07 01:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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badchad said:
Yes. Thats the same way you do animal research. (get an undergrad degree then go to graduate school).

I am not sure about veterinarians and what they can/cannot do (experimentally or otherwise). I would assume veterinarians can experiment on animals, this is probably how things like surgical techniques in animals are evaluated.




I'd imagine a vet could only do limited experiments on certain animals, and not on wild animals... you'd probably have to go to graduate school and specialize in zoology medicine to get your work published in the states.

That's about the only boundary I can construe at the moment.


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Crystal G]
    #7588221 - 11/02/07 03:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

naw, you can do whatever research you want whenever you want. The cost will be a problem, and no one will give you a grant.

And the journal's will be less likely to accept your papers. But there's really no inborn reason you can't do your own thing, the bitch will be to find someone to publish


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: johnm214]
    #7588264 - 11/02/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

didnt bother readin the replies so this has allready maybe been said;

try to use psycadelics to find inspiriation in life, i know where you are.. i understand you, but you are on a negative path.. its not negative to have intrests in psycadelics, its negative when psycadelics are the only thing you are intrested in. they say marijuana isnt harmfull but i keep seein people, lots of them actually, that devote their life to sit on their ass and smoke marijuana and doent do jack shit elsewhere. Thats addiction and i would go as far and say you have developed some sort of addiction for psycadelics, this addiction cannot be blamed on psycadelics but on you tho, you need some motivation in life.-. you dont want to devote your life to psycadelics just because your in this loop where you think psycadelics are the greatest thing ever or whatever. why be a part of society when you can go into the forrest, eat mushrooms and be buddha for a day, right? next time you trip, try to think what you want to do with your life besides doin mind altering drugs perhaps, meditate on it and find your path in life.

there is no spesific studies for just mind altering drugs but pharmacology, anthropology , ethnobotany are maybe of intrest. maybe one of those is your path :smile:


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OfflineCrystal G
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: johnm214]
    #7588328 - 11/02/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
naw, you can do whatever research you want whenever you want. The cost will be a problem, and no one will give you a grant.

And the journal's will be less likely to accept your papers. But there's really no inborn reason you can't do your own thing, the bitch will be to find someone to publish




thats true for out of country experiments maybe, or experiments done in your own basement, but dont "legitimate" research experiments normally have to get approved by some branch of the FDA-related government? especially of course, if they involve scheduled substances... i've heard its pretty difficult to get one of those forms for a study passed, it can almost never be written up alone.


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Silversoul]
    #9267361 - 11/18/08 05:13 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

Hey, I can appreciate such a specific interest.  First off, you have to recognise that all the most interesting pursuits are going to involve some serious academic work.  Master's degree minimum and eventually a PhD.  Ethnobotany is a unique area that's focussed on the study of the use of psychedelics in various cultures.  This is traditional use.  Yage in the jungle...not acid at a rock concert.  Hang on to your interests and eventually something may come of it...or perhaps you'll end up being a burn-out clerking at a 7-11 store.  Your choice.
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: drdee]
    #9267643 - 11/18/08 05:51 PM (15 years, 2 months ago)

You can study psychedelic (and other) drugs without a PhD and 2-3 years of postdoctoral work.  I knew people in graduate school who were working towards MSc degrees and were allowed to work with cocaine.  Another friend of mine who has an MSc degree does analytical testing of controlled substances which have been confiscated by the police (makes me think I should ask her about what she actually finds on blotter and how much of it).  Of course, if you want to be able to direct your own research, then you're going to have better chances with a PhD and postdoctoral study experience.  However, I have known people to own small pharmaceutical firms with MSc degrees.

Personally, I think that if you want to study drugs, you're much better to start off as an undergraduate in chemistry or biochemistry and not biology.

I suspect too that if the OP did get into one of these fields that he'd find something else more interesting.  When I first got into chemistry, I thought all I'd ever want to know about was the organic chemistry of drugs, but it didn't take long before I found a lot more topics to be a lot more interesting.

edit - Also, you can't study psychedelics in a vacuum.  Any topic you look at should be looked at with respect to anything relating to it.  For example, with psychedelics you can study their chemistry, right down to stereoelectronics and synthesis.  Then you can look at their biochemistry: how do they bind to receptors?  What factors in their chemistry makes a drug bind to one receptor?  How does enzymatic metabolism of any given psychedelic work?  Does the drug alter gene expression?  Then you can go from their to their cell biology and neurobiology: how does antagonism of one receptor by a given drug alter function in another part of the gene?  How does signal transduction work to cause release of neurotransmitters?  In order to understand any of that, you have to learn the background information.


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