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Offlinepottypatty
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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
    #7586093 - 11/01/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm in the individualized study school of nyu, we're allowed to major in whatever we want. We just have to come up with a name. One kid last year majored in love, I'm sure psychedelics could be done.

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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
    #7586116 - 11/01/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

biology is awesome if you want to challenge yourself... cells are pretty trippy things, their rates of fuckups are way lower than us and they act robotically.


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: razmablues]
    #7586142 - 11/01/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

don't go to college?

shrooms teach us the only real schooling is the school of hard knocks.

godless college professors just make you educated stupid

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of singularity trash taught. Such reduced
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rotating simultaneously within a single
rotation of Earth. Cubics comprehend it.
You are a Cubic Thinker, or SnotBrain. "


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7586188 - 11/02/07 12:02 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

nothing wrong with education if you're interested in it :smirk:


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7586359 - 11/02/07 01:19 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

No one ever says they want to be a junkie when they grow up.


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
    #7586385 - 11/02/07 01:34 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

heard of ethnobotany / ethnopharmacology?

that might interest you.


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: truekimbo2]
    #7586572 - 11/02/07 03:55 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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truekimbo2 said:
don't go to college?

shrooms teach us the only real schooling is the school of hard knocks.

godless college professors just make you educated stupid

"The
Religious/Academic Oneness Brotherhood
destroys the Brain's ability to think opposite
of singularity trash taught. Such reduced
Brain intelligence begets the student a
tag of SnotBrain android - encapable of
comprehending absolute proof of 4 Days
rotating simultaneously within a single
rotation of Earth. Cubics comprehend it.
You are a Cubic Thinker, or SnotBrain. "




I'd rather know about what is happening in my reality than just dick off and take drugs and work a 20k a year job...=)


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: VisionsToReality]
    #7586687 - 11/02/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

If you really want to conduct controlled, clinical studies, you need to realize that it'll take a 4 year degree with above average grades to get into graduate school. Then probably 5 years of graduate school, then another 2-3 of a post doc.

The fact that it takes actual work dissuades a lot of people from pursuing this career.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
    #7586774 - 11/02/07 07:40 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

visions i don't understand what going to college has to do with knowing whats going on in your reality

also i don't know what anything has to do with taking drugs and dicking off making 20k a year.


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
    #7586777 - 11/02/07 07:41 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yeah, no one except badchad a little has mentioned that their really arent many established degree programs that focus on such a narrow area. WHile you can certainly tailer your grad degree to whatever you like, unless you jerry-rig some degree at your school, you'll find most are way more broad. How are you going to understand shit if you haven't taken the biochem, microbiology, chemistry, and other bio to grasp how psychadelics work? While you can very well teach yourself these things, a university degree in biochem or some biology degree such as pharm. or microbiology will prolly be as closs as you'll come

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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: rungold315]
    #7586955 - 11/02/07 09:10 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

neuroscience


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Merkin]
    #7587302 - 11/02/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Merkin said:
heard of ethnobotany

that might interest you.




I can't see somebody making any money off that, unless they were to start their own peyote farms and distribute them (not a good idea if you are in the US).

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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Crystal G]
    #7587324 - 11/02/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
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Merkin said:
heard of ethnobotany

that might interest you.




I can't see somebody making any money off that, unless they were to start their own peyote farms and distribute them (not a good idea if you are in the US).




I'm a philosophy major. Try making money with that.

Fuck that. Do what you want.


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #7587410 - 11/02/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

yea philosophy and mathematics really are just degrees you could get teaching jobs with... statistics have shown that 75% of the time, your major in college actually has nothing to do with your actual career you end up getting anyway. seriously, my dad knew a guy who graduated at HARVARD in law and ended up being a goddamn taxi driver in new york cause of lack of job opportunities at the time.

anyway to the thread starter, you should become a crooked cop. if you arent dumb as shit, you might even get promoted to detective :lol:

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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
    #7587424 - 11/02/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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badchad said:
If you really want to conduct controlled, clinical studies, you need to realize that it'll take a 4 year degree with above average grades to get into graduate school. Then probably 5 years of graduate school, then another 2-3 of a post doc.

The fact that it takes actual work dissuades a lot of people from pursuing this career.




Isn't graduate school usually only 2 years? am I thinking of like a master's?

anyways, i think all you need to do is go to medical school to conduct medical studies (on humans). which takes approximately 8 years.

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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #7587425 - 11/02/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

I'm a political science major and I have thought about one day getting involved in Drug policy. Try a little industrial sabatoge you know? I would either do law school or get take a masters approach to policy analysis. Each would offer different paths to the world of Drug Reform.

But it's not like Drug Policy is the ONLY interest I have.


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: johnm214]
    #7587442 - 11/02/07 11:36 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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yeah, no one except badchad a little has mentioned that their really arent many established degree programs that focus on such a narrow area. WHile you can certainly tailer your grad degree to whatever you like, unless you jerry-rig some degree at your school, you'll find most are way more broad. How are you going to understand shit if you haven't taken the biochem, microbiology, chemistry, and other bio to grasp how psychadelics work? While you can very well teach yourself these things, a university degree in biochem or some biology degree such as pharm. or microbiology will prolly be as closs as you'll come




I completely agree with this statement. People actually understand the full perspective of the material better if they learn what those drugs do in terms of biology, its relation to human anatomy, physiology, neurology, and such to attain the bigger picture. because they all work in SYNC with each other. and of course chemistry and physics is a mandatory subject in anything science-related.

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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #7587526 - 11/02/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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I'm a philosophy major. Try making money with that.



I was going to do philosophy but then switched to sociology with the strange idea that it might be slightly more helpful in getting a job. Shows what I know. Also, I developed a massive headache from reading Heidegger.


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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: Silversoul]
    #7587655 - 11/02/07 12:30 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Isn't graduate school usually only 2 years? am I thinking of like a master's?

anyways, i think all you need to do is go to medical school to conduct medical studies (on humans). which takes approximately 8 years.




A Ph.D in the "biological sciences" (e.g. biology, pharmacology, neuroscience, biochemistry etc.) takes about 5 years. After that, theoretically, you could be a Principal investigator overseeing a research study. In reality, you need another 2-3 years of a post doc to become an assistant professor and be a PI on a protocol. Even at that point, a faculty position at a University will be very competitive. It is not uncommon for people to do 2 post-docs.

You do not need an MD to conduct human studies. However, many protocols will require an MD to be within a certain distance, or on site, depending on the drugs used and the protocol.

Nowadays, many graduate programs are becoming "interdisciplinary". That is, you determine what specific department/major you want to obtain your PhD in AFTER you are accepted into the school. Once you enter a specific department, the faculty will be using vastly different techniques and specializing in very focused areas.

Thus, your undergraduate major really doesn't matter that much if you know your ultimate, end goal.


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Smith, P.  Bull. Menninger Clinic (1959) 23:20-27; p. 27.

...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

Osmond, H.  Annals, NY Acad Science (1957) 66:418-434; p.436

Edited by badchad (11/02/07 12:33 PM)

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Re: Is there a college major in psychdelics? [Re: badchad]
    #7587716 - 11/02/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

badchad said:
Quote:

Crystal G said:
Isn't graduate school usually only 2 years? am I thinking of like a master's?

anyways, i think all you need to do is go to medical school to conduct medical studies (on humans). which takes approximately 8 years.




A Ph.D in the "biological sciences" (e.g. biology, pharmacology, neuroscience, biochemistry etc.) takes about 5 years. After that, theoretically, you could be a Principal investigator overseeing a research study. In reality, you need another 2-3 years of a post doc to become an assistant professor and be a PI on a protocol. Even at that point, a faculty position at a University will be very competitive. It is not uncommon for people to do 2 post-docs.

You do not need an MD to conduct human studies. However, many protocols will require an MD to be within a certain distance, or on site, depending on the drugs used and the protocol.

Nowadays, many graduate programs are becoming "interdisciplinary". That is, you determine what specific department/major you want to obtain your PhD in AFTER you are accepted into the school. Once you enter a specific department, the faculty will be using vastly different techniques and specializing in very focused areas.

Thus, your undergraduate major really doesn't matter that much if you know your ultimate, end goal.




eh? I thought biology was the 4 year course you take as an undergrad, and then you progress onto a more specific field in the advanced PhD degrees. but biology is generally the major you take first in university, to gain acceptance to these fields right?

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