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RoachMan
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Starting out...again... (Oysters)
#7584432 - 11/01/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moving on from the ever-so-easy cubensis to an oyster strain.
I've read much regarding growing them, and I know that they will fruit on a regular PF cake.
However, I'm changing the cake a bit so that it will produce bigger, more, or higher quality fruits.
Ingredients for these combination cakes:
Alder chips. Rye. BRF (verm?)
I'm soaking the alder chips and rye now.
I plan on preparing rye as usual. I then intend to strain the wood chips of excess water, and then dust them with BRF (as with verm in the PF tek).
So...1/2 to 3/4 of the bottom of the jar to be filled with this material (packed loosely).
At the top of the jar I plan to have a rye "insert" (as seen in some mushroom spawn bags) to speed colonization.
How does this sound?
Should I mix a bit of the rye throughout the wood chip/BRF mix?
OR do you think it will colonize fine as I've already stated?
Also...do you think I should use any verm, or will the wood chips hold enough water to produce sizable fruits?
If you think I should use verm...at which point should I mix it in?
Maybe to soak up the extra moisture in the wood chips, and ensure that the mix isn't pasty?
Hmmmmm...
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Edited by RoachMan (11/02/07 11:28 AM)
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: RoachMan]
#7585486 - 11/01/07 08:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you want to stick to pf tek make your jars per normal and add a little bit of your final substrate to your jars ( ie..if your going to go to straw use some powdered straw in your pf tek) ive chopped up pf cakes of oysters and mixed them with millet to expand...something you might want to try. fruiting cakes of oysters are usually pretty low yields- but it is a great way to start- ive done it before. good luck- oysters are fun...and you dont have to check your schedule to eat them

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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: greys]
#7586297 - 11/02/07 12:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hello RoachMan, why do not you proceed normally, making some grain jars? If you haven't a pure liquid culture, is impossible to obtain an uncontamined cake from a syringe originated from a common sporeprint.
what kind ok oyster are you planning to grow? Pleurotus ostreatus? If you need a wedge i can send you a couple..but you have to clean it on agar.
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RoachMan
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The only reason I want to do cakes is that I've got nothing larger to spawn to (can't find straw locally).
Is there anything else I could spawn to?
Should I get some shredded paper and pasteurize it?
What other options are there?
I'm good on the wedge, but thanks; a cool dude hooked me up with several different species of oyster. Just need a few tips before I get started.
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: RoachMan]
#7587252 - 11/02/07 10:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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shredded newspaper works fine....you can do a bleach soak and make your sub from that. oysters pretty much will grow on almost anything. straw is just very easy and cheap thats why i use it.
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RoachMan
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: greys]
#7587349 - 11/02/07 11:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I should try even harder to find me a bale.
However, city-folk would wonder why I was carrying a "hay"-bale inside.
(Yes, I know hay/straw differ.)
Maybe I can see if I can get paper that's already mostly white and already shredded at a recycling center? Hmm...
Thanks for helping to spur a new line of thinking.
Which oysters do you prefer (by taste)? Pick 2.
If I used just wood chips and wheat bran...could I pasteurize that and spawn to it OR would that have to be sterilized?
Edited by RoachMan (11/02/07 11:30 AM)
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: RoachMan]
#7589140 - 11/02/07 07:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like grey oysters and brown oysters, the pink I had were really tough, although I could probably isolate something nice.
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: Cryogenicz]
#7589936 - 11/03/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Roger Rabbit inoculated 1/2 pint BRF and Verm jars in his video on youtube and they looked like they fruited fine. Why the need for woodchips or sawdust? Just curious because I have a Oyster culture and I'm about to grow them.
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RoachMan
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The woodchips are storing locked in nutrients which boost the later flushes.
Looks like I'm going to try a bit of everything. 
Thanks guys!
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: RoachMan]
#7590240 - 11/03/07 05:54 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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just dont use those aspen wood shavings for dog beddings...they dont run on it so well and some people who eat oysters grown on aspen get the poops for some reason. also dont use any kind of aromatic wood like cedar or hickory. Oysters are fun though and they will run on an astounding variety of substrates. I tried coffee grounds too--- mold prone but it worked.
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: RoachMan]
#7590302 - 11/03/07 07:03 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi RoachMan, sorry for the delay but yesterday i cannot come back home cause a man (rip) jumped on the tracks of the train and all the line was blocked.
However, you'll find straw at the pet store, it's used for the bed of pets. If you don't find a pet store look on the yellow pages for a structure with horses, they MUST use straw for bedding.
You can soak it in the lime, to kill a lot of contaminants. You can also use newspapers (common newspapers, if you ask gently to a newspaper seller -sorry i cannot remember the english word- he can keep for your every day the not sold newspaper. do not worry for the ink cause P.ostreatus eat also the petroleum and the inks in the usa, should be soy based). To pasterurized the newspaper use the bleach (but also if people say that this isn't harmuful, in my opionion i discard this way to kill contaminants) or use lime or common hot water (you could try soapy water).
Fabio 
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yeah USA ink is soybean based....no problem for the oysters. i avoid the colored ad pages- not sure whats in those inks.
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: RoachMan]
#7590763 - 11/03/07 11:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Always soy based inks! it's a standard..RogerRabbit can confirm.
They make CMYK soy based inks!
Fabio
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RoachMan
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This forum is OUTSTANDING!
I'm not worried about pasteurization; the time and money spent on this was well worth it:
  
Has anyone had any luck with oysters on coco-coir?
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: RoachMan]
#7598502 - 11/05/07 01:17 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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RoachMan said: ...Has anyone had any luck with oysters on coco-coir?
They fruit fine from coir - just about any cellulose-rich sub is fine.
I have some growing in the open-air in my basement right now on shredded office paper. I just soak it in 3 gallons of water with 1/4c bleach for 30 mins, drain it, and fill recycled plastic bags with paper and spawn. Poke holes liberally and let them do their thing. It's seriously almost impossible to mess up once you have the spawn running.
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: Defiance]
#7599238 - 11/05/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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It sounds even easier than cubes, but I've heard that to be wrong.
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: RoachMan]
#7599735 - 11/05/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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what about used phone books is that possible ? is that soy based inks ? grey i got my blue foot print thanks . I am ready to transfer the oyster too grow wedges to knock something up I guess millet but I like to spawn them to newspaper or a phone book that would be cool ..
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: RoachMan]
#7600990 - 11/05/07 11:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I've got my fingers crossed for you one way or another. Oysters reward simplicity IMO, good luck.
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what about used phone books is that possible ? is that soy based inks ?
Phone books work well. Soak it in bleach water, drain it until it stops dripping, then layer grain spawn between the pages. It's cool to watch and works with cubies too. Ever see RR's Bible grow?
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Re: Starting out...again... [Re: Defiance]
#7602187 - 11/06/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah I saw a picture of that .. but it needs to be a wood loving cube right?
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No sir, regular ol' ps. cubensis will run and fruit from wood and paper as long as it's supplemented - usually the grain spawn is enough for a few flushes. If you can fruit a mushroom on straw you've got an awfully good shot at fruiting them on paper in my experience. It's something I've been playing around with a lot lately, trying to get a bonus from my paper waste before I toss it on the compost pile. You should try it, it's pretty easy.
Sorry for hijacking Roachman, I can't wait to see how things turn out for you.
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