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Anonymous #1

heroin: Tar vs. powder
    #7583876 - 11/01/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I am curious as to what you heroin users would rather do: buy a gram of great powder for $280, or 3.5g of tar for $180? This is purely hypothetical as I have been offered both and turned them down. But I am still curious.


I dont feel like this question is against the rules, but if it is, let me know.


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Anonymous #2

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7583897 - 11/01/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i wish i could get a gram of powder, i can only get bindles and my fucking dealer takes half of the little bags and then charges me 7 each

i hate fucking niggers!!!


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Anonymous #3

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #7584003 - 11/01/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i think powder is better even though i have never tried it. its more potent, but also more lethal. however, id say a ball of tar is equivalent in potency to a gram of powder H, maybe more. you have to keep in mind that even the most potent tar will only be 40% pure, just because of the way the substance is synthesized--so anywhere from 50-150mg intravenous will do for somebody with no tolerance.

i have a friend in the midwest that swears he prefers tar though--he feels it produces a "cleaner" mental high than powder. he lives in cinnci and powder heroin is very good quality there.

also i have a feeling i know who this is :smirk:


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Anonymous #2

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #7584008 - 11/01/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:cool:


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Anonymous #1

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #2]
    #7584116 - 11/01/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I just got a sample of the powder and it is white as snow. I dont know if that is any indication of quality or not, but it may help.


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Anonymous #1

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7584118 - 11/01/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I thought you turned it down :wink:


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Anonymous #4

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7585035 - 11/01/07 06:02 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i have no frame of reference never had tar in the dirty but the powder's easier for my purpose i snort it


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Anonymous #5

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #4]
    #7585041 - 11/01/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

fuck H. its dirty.


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Anonymous #6

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #5]
    #7585679 - 11/01/07 09:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

H is dangerous in terms of the fact that it's too seductive for most to leave alone once tasted, and that it can be quite dangerous if not used properly. Smack is also one of the biggest targets for cops in the city, next to coke/crack.

My advice to anyone using heroin is to always test a new batch by taking a small amount first, before you take a full dose (this ESPECIALLY for powder, which can range from weak to around 98% pure. Also, make sure you're not alone when you take it...that way your life can be saved if your respiration and/or heart stops.... providing the ambulance is really fucking fast. Or you have some antagonists and a hypo full of epinephrine handy.

Be safe... now read the next post for my answer to your question.


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Anonymous #3

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7585813 - 11/01/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
My advice to anyone using heroin is to always test a new batch by taking a small amount first, before you take a full dose (this ESPECIALLY for powder, which can range from weak to around 98% pure. Also, make sure you're not alone when you take it...that way your life can be saved if your respiration and/or heart stops.... providing the ambulance is really fucking fast. Or you have some antagonists and a hypo full of epinephrine handy.

Be safe... now read the next post for my answer to your question.




Epinephrine??? You'd be better off keeping a vial of naloxone handy.


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Anonymous #6

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7585828 - 11/01/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

$280 for a gram of powder is kind of a rip-off. That's a huge mark-up, and you're probably buying cut material. How cut, is the question.

If it is white, one of two things is going on there: 1- It is what they refer to as "china" "fine china" or "china white." This might be "real" china white, in which case it is some type of fentanyl analogue. Alternately, it could be regular heroin, which has fentanyl or an analogue cut into it, with some other types of cut. China can be pretty good. Sometimes too good. It can also be cut all to shit.

2- It could be regular powdered heroin (which will normally be found appearing from a tan to a darker brown color) which has been cut all to shit. If you took tan heroin and cut it too much with manitol (a common cut used by dope dealers) then it could give this appearance.

Ask them if the dope has a name...a "brand" name, if you will. If they claim it as china, then it very well could be. There is also a chance, they are capitalizing on the name. However, If they try to tell you that this is regular heroin, it's probably been cut a lot. (but...DO NOT take my word for that...see my previous post about always taking a very small test dose).

I can't say a lot about the prices of china in serious weight... I have gotten a gram before, but it was many years ago...I believe it did cost me about $200.

A gram of heroin I would get, on the low end, from about $150, to $200 on the very high end. I think $280 is way too much for powder, unless it's exceptionally rare in your area.

If you really want to drop money on hard drugs, learn some spanish, and make friends with some dominicans. lol

I used to be friends with a dealer....helped him out a little, I guess you would say. Sometimes he would take me with him to pick up the dope, and would have me test it for him. I was on about 200mg methadone at the time, so if I could feel anything through all that methadone, he knew it was pure.

He bought the dope in 10 gram "chalks." That is reasonably common in this area among people who deal in weight. If you've ever seen a movie or a documentary or anything about drug mules, you'll know what I'm talking about. These things were straight from a mule's ass, I swear.

10 grams of super-pure heroin (dark brown in color...compacted rock solid). Wrapped in some kind of wax paper, then several layers of cellophane, then a balloon.

You broke off a tiny pebble of this (and it was hard to do, this shit was so compact) and you would drop just a tiny pebble in a little water to cook it, and the water instantly goes a muddy brown. You will almost NEVER see that with dope you get in bags off the street...such a dark coloration, from such a tiny amount. If you do find bags like this, keep your connection.

Anyway, a 10 gram chalk would run my friend about $1000, or $1100. I think after a while, they jacked the prices up on him....he told me it was $1400 after a while, but I don't know if he was saying that to blow smoke up my ass for his own purposes.

Point being....say a dealer buys a 10 gram chalk for $1400. They are paying around $140 per gram. (assuming they are high enough on the food chain to sell grams, but low enough to only buy 1 chalk at a time) Now consider that most dealers will take this dope and step on it by maybe 30% (more if they're stupid, no more than that if they're smart). If you got a really greedy dealer who knew his dope was pure to start with, they might step on it 50%. At which point, you would really be purchasing .5 grams of heroin and .5 grams of cut for $280, which cost him about $35, plus the cost of a half gram of mannitol.

$280 is way too much, imo. If I were in the situation you describe, and were intent on trying this source anyway... I would #1 tell him that I can get it for $200 somewhere else. (If you're going to deal with hard drugs, learn to bullshit very well). And I would say that I want to test it. I would take an amount equaling about HALF a bag of dope on the street. If I wasn't feeling the effects pretty hardcore from that (assuming no major existing opiate tolerance), I would say the dope is cut too much, and likely not quite even worth $200. If it was really good, I might pay $200...$225 at the most but only if I couldn't find it somewhere else.

I would haggle, as long as you're not dealing with particularly dangerous/unpredictable types. In which case, you should re-examine what you're up to anyway.

So far as tar... I honestly can't say that I've tried it. I've never really wanted to. You'd be hard-pressed to even find any in this area. Places where powder is abundant, you don't seem to see much demand for tar. Purity of powder can vary, but the good shit is REALLY good, and in either case, prepping it for injection is easy (no "cooking" necessary, if you're sterile about it...although I recommend it anyway) and there is always the option of sniffing it, which is a much better idea, IMO. Still gets you very fucking high if you put it up your nose.

I hope all my blathering helps. Or was at least vaguely interesting.


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Anonymous #6

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #7585842 - 11/01/07 10:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
Quote:

Anonymous said:
My advice to anyone using heroin is to always test a new batch by taking a small amount first, before you take a full dose (this ESPECIALLY for powder, which can range from weak to around 98% pure. Also, make sure you're not alone when you take it...that way your life can be saved if your respiration and/or heart stops.... providing the ambulance is really fucking fast. Or you have some antagonists and a hypo full of epinephrine handy.

Be safe... now read the next post for my answer to your question.




Epinephrine??? You'd be better off keeping a vial of naloxone handy.




Notice how I said "ANTAGONISTS and a hypo full of epinephrine"... naloxone is an opiate antagonist.

Furthermore, I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure naloxone would be completely useless if the heard had already stopped, thus the need for something like epinephrine.


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Anonymous #3

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7585849 - 11/01/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Usually it takes a while for the heart to stop, your breathing goes first and then the heart might go after about 20 minutes... but in this case, epinephrine and electrical pumps to resuscitate would be necessary.


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Anonymous #1

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #3]
    #7586006 - 11/01/07 10:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I cant seem to find any info on erowid about snorting h. How long does it uaually take to kick in when insufflated?


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Anonymous #6

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7586056 - 11/01/07 11:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
I cant seem to find any info on erowid about snorting h. How long does it uaually take to kick in when insufflated?




Not terribly long. It's not as fast as injection, and the rush isn't as intense. That is the primary difference, in my experience.

Intranasal heroin kicks in, I would say, in a few minutes. Think about doing a line of coke (if you've ever done that). It's much the same. It takes effect much much faster than opiates taken orally, just not as fast as injection, where you'll be feeling it almost right away.

Although the initial rush isn't as good, the euphoria from insufflated heroin is pretty massive. If you have a good batch, I might liken it to chewing an oxy 80. If you don't have a tolerance, and you get a good bag of heroin, sniffing it can be enough to make you puke, or even kill you.

The first time I sniffed heroin, I took one bag, and was at the toilet 5 minutes later puking my guts out. Being excessive, and a little stupid (this is when I was a teenager) I decided to take a second bag not long after. I was so high I could barely walk. For AGES.

It wasn't until years later, and daily use that I began injecting. Seriously...leave the needles to the junkies. Like I said in the above post, if someone is brave and foolish enough to play with the devil, sniffing it is plenty fast enough, and fun enough to worry about.


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Anonymous #1

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7586139 - 11/01/07 11:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Well the powder is absolute crap. I ended up going through the whole 1/4 gram and got nowhere near as high as I have been on poppy tea. Fuck it. Tar it is.


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Anonymous #6

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7586606 - 11/02/07 04:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If you used 1/4 gram of heroin and you didn't get nearly as high as poppy tea, I would say that you got ripped off ROYALLY.

As I mentioned before, ASK TO TEST the shit, when you are going to buy in a larger amount. Had you done that, you would have known it was garbage.

1/4 gram of good heroin, in someone without a tolerance, should be enough for an overdose.

Another way to test it, without taking a dose, is by taste. With that, of course, you need to be a little experienced. Pure heroin should be fairly bitter to the taste. The more bitter, the more pure. If you sniffed it, you should have gotten a really bitter drip, in the back of your throat.

Now, if the heroin WAS any good (and I very seriously doubt it based on what you say) it could be possible you have an astronomical tolerance. At my worst point, I used to shoot 5 to 10 bags at a time, and felt almost nothing from it, because I was injecting large amounts, several times a day.

Exactly how much poppy tea are you doing?

Keep in mind, that with poppy tea, you are taking mostly morphine, with some codeine, and a number of other alkaloids which may potentiate each other. Morphine is no joke, and depending on how much poppy plant material you are using, a tea can be very strong. The biggest difference between heroin and morphine, in my opinion, is that milligram for milligram, you need more morphine to get high.

So, it looks to me like perhaps you're used to somewhat strong poppy tea, and you bought some garbage heroin (probably cut 50% or more) without testing it.

If you get some tar, keep in mind that tar will not be as pure as most (GOOD) powder. So if you have been taking high doses of tea, with any frequency, that might prove somewhat disappointing as well.

But it definitely sounds like you got jacked. Again: ALWAYS test your shit first, when you are buying any kind of weight. Otherwise, you almost deserve to get ripped off.

I am sorry things didn't turn out, but consider it an expensive lesson.


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Anonymous #7

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7589665 - 11/02/07 10:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

careful CRYSSSY G you might OD on the tar those nazi's gave you, remember they put poison's on your tar and then laughed when you bought it. te he he :crazy:


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Anonymous #1

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #7589766 - 11/02/07 10:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Does plugging heroin increase it's bioavailability in any way? Is more absorbed than snorting? I am not so concerned about the rush, I just want to get my money's worth and I would rather not shoot. I am getting tar so I would rather not snort and I hear smoking is a waste.


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Anonymous #6

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7589859 - 11/02/07 11:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

The rush from shooting is one thing, but IME, extreme euphoria happens regardless, assuming you don't have a shitty tolerance.

While I may have never plugged heroin, I have taken opiate suppositories before. I can tell you that based on this experience, rectal administration of any "relatively pure" opiate compound should yield results. Even one "theraputic" dose from the suppository (one suppository) gave me quite a bit of extended euphoria when I didn't have much of a tolerance.

I would say google the hell out of "rectal administration of opiates" or something like that, as well as "making suppositories". I am sure this will give you a more broad idea of what you're looking at.

That being said... I've never tried tar, although I've seen it, and judging by the consistency.... you might have to change the form it's in to effectively go anal with this one.


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Anonymous #6

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7589862 - 11/02/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, and also, forgot to mention....

if you're the same poster who was talking about the 1/4 gram that did nothing to you....

Your tolerance is going to play a huge issue in exactly what a given dose of heroin will do to you. If you've been taking tea regularly (daily, or several times a week) in the higher dose range, expect that your tolerance IS high, and even heroin is not going to change that... it will only make it worse.


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Anonymous #1

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #6]
    #7589899 - 11/02/07 11:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I only do poppy tea at the most once a week. My last dose before the heroin last night was 8 days prior, and I only took 20grams of grounds.

Now I did get high from the 1/4gram (quite high in fact), but it was nowhere near as high as I get on poppy tea. Perhaps the reason for the lack of effects is the way I took it. I was worried about it being to strong, so I basically just took little bumps all night trying to find the right dose. I guess I spaced out the bumps too much.


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Anonymous #1

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #1]
    #7589910 - 11/03/07 12:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

As far as preparation of a suppository, I am going to do what I do with hydromorphone pills (a rare treat) and mix it with warm water, suck it up into a syringe with a molded tip, lube up, and squirt it up my ass. Will this work effectively for heroin?

I really dont have a problem with this as I got over my fear of suppositories when I was in the hospital. Lots of IM morphine and voltarin suppositories.


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Anonymous #3

Re: heroin: Tar vs. powder [Re: Anonymous #7]
    #7591107 - 11/03/07 01:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Anonymous said:
careful CRYSSSY G you might OD on the tar those nazi's gave you, remember they put poison's on your tar and then laughed when you bought it. te he he :crazy:




first of all i was not the thread starter. i get balls for $110 of tar.

second, im pretty sure they didnt put poison in my shit, as that would really not be beneficial for repeat business

PS: if this were really something Crystal G would write, it wouldnt be in anonymous.


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