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Offlinefireworks_godS
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What Do You Live For?
    #7583333 - 11/01/07 09:36 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Our existance is impermanent. This present experience is fleeting. None of us even know how much more time we personally have, as this form we hold now. I find it strikingly amazing that we even have the opportunity in this moment to function like this, to live this life, to be aware and interact with reality... :shocked:

How many moments have passed in which we have been identified with ourselves and our life situation to the point that we lose sense of the formlessness that permeates our present existance, such that our mind becomes opaque to the light of awareness?

:banghead:

If we are not self-aware, then who and what are we?

Nevermind asking how, even if we are acutely self-aware. Its a complete mystery. :whoah:

Seriously, though, ask how. :sherlock: When one fully embraces the mystery of life, of our present experience, I'm inclined to think that one would appreciate the blessed opportunity. As all we know is the phenomenon of living, we tend to become conditioned to life, such that we never really live.



So, what of your present experience? What of who you presently are? Is it worth dying for? :smile:


I've personally had several experiences (honestly, the same experience at different points in time), usually while on acid, wherein the inevitability of the immediacy of my death is readily apparent. It is a moment wherein total dissolution is but an exhalation away, so to speak. :wink: I've always brought myself right up until that point, but have never fully let go. The first two times, on acid, I didn't, simply due to a feeling not to. The second time it felt as though it took great effort to not transcend this form, like I wasn't suspossed to have stayed, or something. :smirk: The third experience was sober, but wasn't entirely the same, as it was centered around accepting the expected death of a loved one. The last time, the moment came unexpectedly, only being stoned, just as intense as the times on acid... I feel like I arrived at that point due to the process of internalizing my acid experiences and developing myself... Anyways, the only thing that kept me from completely letting go was looking forward to being with the one I love and treasure most. :heartpump:

I'm not sure if I will arrive in this moment again, in such a final way, as I've realized that I'm a human being, and I might as well live in this form until this form will no longer function. What I have noticed, though, is that the nature of awareness is such that we are either becoming more aware, or less aware. I've always marveled at how interested I am in becoming more aware, until it brings me to the point where I am a breath away from realizing death. :lol:

Recently, though, I've noticed that the less attached I have become to security, through these experiences and similar ones of the same path, the more comfortable I am with delving deeper and deeper into awareness, of reality. The feeling of standing on this floating orb at night, surrounded by a seemingly infinite sea of space and formlessness and mystery, and relishing the thrill.... :earth: It is nothing that I could have expected. :hehehe:

Here we are, emanations of the Sun. :mushroom2: Truthfully, of course, we are the Sun, as any line to be drawn is merely an arbitary distinction. :sun:

So, what do you live for, and what makes you happy? :smile:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7583384 - 11/01/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what am I currently living for?

Trying to be the strongest, healthiest primate I can be.

Why?

I dunno


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: demiu5]
    #7583466 - 11/01/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i live for the unknown


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fake estate]
    #7583479 - 11/01/07 10:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I live for the love of life.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7583589 - 11/01/07 11:00 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I live for the psychedelic experience. I am trying to find it without the psychedelics now. It's not easy is what I have found out. Most of the cultural things that are supposed to make life worthwhile do not do it hardly at all for me. So I'm kind of in limbo these days. It's uncomfortable.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7583602 - 11/01/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i don't know why i live anymore, i got lost.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: beneath]
    #7583619 - 11/01/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It happens more often then then one might think.

As the need for filling up ones days with survival issues vanish often we don't really know what to do with ourselves.

I can honestly say that in the modern human culture I also feel lost.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Icelander]
    #7583668 - 11/01/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

There are still things I want to experience in life that I haven't yet, emotions I haven't felt. I live for the things I've put ahead of myself, or rather, things I want to do.

"So I'm kind of in limbo these days. It's uncomfortable."

I've been having a crisis lately, struggling with the fact that to me life is meaningless. I know that at some point in my life I'm going to [truly] realize that life needs to be what I make of it. I'm not there yet though, I understand it but I haven't had an epiphany. Lately I've been feeling kind of empty, kind of alone (because do I really know anyone else exists?), it's something that I assume will pass with time and thought. For now I'll force myself to smile and enjoy life until it's not forced any longer. I know I can enjoy everything around me because I have before, I just have to get out of this [Nhilist?} mindstate.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Icelander]
    #7583703 - 11/01/07 11:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
I live for the psychedelic experience. I am trying to find it without the psychedelics now.



That about sums it up for me.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Bernackums]
    #7583762 - 11/01/07 11:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I understand completely.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Icelander]
    #7583824 - 11/01/07 12:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
I live for the psychedelic experience. I am trying to find it without the psychedelics now. It's not easy is what I have found out. Most of the cultural things that are supposed to make life worthwhile do not do it hardly at all for me. So I'm kind of in limbo these days. It's uncomfortable.




i feel exactly like you...did you go thru a state of depression upon realizing most of this? im just now coming out of mine and its getting better but still difficult understand it all


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7583831 - 11/01/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I live for the moment that I stop comparing myself to my images of everyone else.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Lion]
    #7583895 - 11/01/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

nothing


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Lion]
    #7583941 - 11/01/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

nice post FWG :sun:
i resonate quite a bit with bug and icelander's answers..

i live to learn and continue this experience..whatever it is.
:slider:
what makes me happy?
me! :smirk:


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fake estate]
    #7583955 - 11/01/07 12:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have dealt with depression my whole life. My childhood facilitated that state.

I still deal with it and guess to some extent I always will.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Icelander]
    #7583989 - 11/01/07 12:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Avoidance of sadness causes major imbalance..
Learn to tolerate sadness as much as you tolerate happiness and suddenly you're living in a different world.


Edited by Clean (11/02/07 10:42 AM)


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Clean]
    #7584286 - 11/01/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

That's the reason I'm still alive and kicking friend. And that's where my philosophy derives from.


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7584287 - 11/01/07 02:34 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Right now I am living for the music that I make. It is crazy and all I think about and all I put my energy into. I even am making love to my girlfriend less to put more energy into music. Most of the reasons I still take drugs is to help me create music. I know that I will never make a living off of being a musician. I know that society does not take me seriously because I am poor man, and because I have no career aspirations, or family aspirations. I am getting older and I probably will have to sell out someday. Yet I am still doing this. I can't figure out why. I can't tell you why I am putting everything I have into something that I might not get anything back out of. Sometimes it feels unjust...most of the time I am frustrated and angry at the world, at music, and mostly at myself for being 26 and not having really produced anything I feel proud of.

But that is what I live for. I don't know why, I just do.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7584321 - 11/01/07 02:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Be glad you have found something that takes your mind off of yourself. (could this be the why in why you do it;)) If you can just meet your basic needs and not be out on the street then keep on playin. That will be plenty for a satisfying life as long as you love it.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Clean]
    #7584348 - 11/01/07 02:51 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

If you tolerate depression and sadness then you will never get better. To truly enjoy life one must remove all obstacles to living a perfect life.

These obstacles are mostly in the mind itself, and that is where the real work begins and ends. Outside of the self one interacts with the enviroment in a way that continuously reflects the inner expeience.

It stimultes the mind to learn and think in a way that it has dealt with in the same way over and over again...and thus is no new learning acheived.

So the real way to live a perfect life is to remove belief from all negative thoughts and emotions(which are caused by thoughts).

Though the way to do this may seem difficult or even impossible to some, it is because the nature of the programs conditioned inside the mind and how it reacts to stress and the enivorment.

If one has a negative thought and responds by attacking himself then he simply projects his anger away from himself, but in truth, it just get stored away to be dealt with at a later time, and so suppression and agression towards negative thoughts only promotes delay of healing the real issue of why the thought occured.

So I think it requires a great deal of mindfulness of the self to be able to deal with and understand the cause of the negative thought, and from that point when the place of origin is established, then true healing can begin. And this will bring one into their right mind.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Boundless]
    #7584385 - 11/01/07 03:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Becoming more aware is understanding we have sight, smell, taste, hearing, touch, and thoughts. It is also understanding we do not own these things, you never asked for them to be there; they're just there. If these things are not mine, then its also true that the organs that facilitate these things are not mine as well. The only way I can justify them being mine, is if I somehow take them personally and identify with these things, which leads to many conditions such as depression (also feeling ecstatic), religious fanaticism, and other states of self-delusion. It is because we take things personally that we crave for worldly experience to quench our thirst for existence. It is also because we take things personally that we crave for non-existence in states of suffering. It is this thirst for existence and non-existence that keeps us in limbo, away from penetrating the ultimate truth, which is that everything is void of substance... like a lump of foam or an elaborate magic trick. The reason it is void of substance, is because there is no ownership to be found in anything; no being, no self-hood, just a dance of emptiness. Everything changes like the clouds.

If one does not take anything personally, satisfaction arises... relief emerges. After relief, there is joy, and after that joy there is mental collectedness, serenity, and insight yoked together as one. In fully understanding the impermanence of all things, we can fully appreciate the mysterious depth of reality by sitting back and observing without being attached and corrupting our view by our clinging to it.

This gives you a greater sense of self responsibility. By not trying to control, and allowing to be, you learn how to redirect your choices in a skillful, wholesome manner.


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As the life of a candle,
my wick will burn out.
But, the fire of my mind
shall beam into infinite.



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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: psyka]
    #7584436 - 11/01/07 03:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. :laugh: :yinyang:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Boundless]
    #7584457 - 11/01/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

one must remove all obstacles to living a perfect life.

:rofl2::monkeydance::rofl2::monkeydance:

I could almost take you seriously until I saw this. Thanks for the chuckle. :thumbup:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Boundless]
    #7584544 - 11/01/07 03:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't found anything worth dying for.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Crystal G]
    #7584642 - 11/01/07 04:25 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I live for the pursuit of truth and knowledge and to find a path beyond mere animal impulse of eat, sleep, fuck


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7584658 - 11/01/07 04:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I live because I'm interested.  I want to see what happens!  :smile:

I also live for the many pleasures available through my intellect, my senses and connections with others.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Crystal G]
    #7584765 - 11/01/07 05:00 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I had a bunch to say but Icelander's bit just about sums me up perfectly. Lately I've found myself in more or less of a perpetual mid-life crisis. Society and culture have nothing to offer that would ever fulfill me on a deep level, and I'm past the point where I could fool myself into believing otherwise.

I also feel like the psychedelic experience, and sharing it with people I know and love, is a staple of my life. Unfortunately within our culture there is no outlet for this passion of mine to take root and grow. Having gone through the justice system for psychedelics was very discouraging for me as well. I don't know though, psychedelics gave me a lot of hope about a brighter reality, that is perhaps false or at least unrealistic. "False hope is worse than slammed dope." I think this has happened to a lot of people.   

It all just seems so pointless and futile at times. I feel so out of place in the world, especially among my generation. When I'm in 'normal' social situations I feel like all my interaction is forced. I like to get away from people but after awhile of that I get lonely and feel like I'm missing something. In fact most of my life, I felt like I was always missing something, and that I'm not really 'alive'. The antithesis of this condition for me has been DMT. I believe it can take you to the destination of human consciousness/spirituality, but it won't keep you there. I think this is true of all psychedelics to some degree. So here I am as well trying to find the psychedelic mindset without psychedelics.

I run goddamn circles in my mind, always ending up back in that place where I just want everything to end and nobody to notice and to not have any memory of any of this ever happening. Death. I yearned for it so much and for so long that during one rather immense, over the top trip, I got it. And then I realized that I didn't want to die, and I fought and pleaded and to be allowed to live, I promised that I would be happy, and I was so fucking happy. But the epiphanies get hazy, time goes on, and I'm back to square one again. I don't really want to die. But I don't want to live my whole life feeling like this either - it is a fear that outweighs my fear of death a thousandfold. I have an 'ideal' life...born into a wealthy family, young, great body  good looks and kickass health, I can do anything I set my mind to and have a ton of options available to me, yet all of that seems meaningless to me, and the majority of the time I spend in discontent and depression. Ugh.

What do I live for? Nothing worthy of mention, at least for now.

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We all are being murdered by a similar process
Whether you work at the candy store or slave at the office
The purpose of our life is just to serve the economy
They misinform our minds to paint a picture of harmony
But if you listenin, you know that shits out of tune
Cuz the function of our life is just to work and consume
Fuck reachin out to help the next, there ain't any room
Just close your eyes and block your ears and march to your doom


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7585048 - 11/01/07 06:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I live for the next day.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Grok]
    #7585124 - 11/01/07 06:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Grok said:
I had a bunch to say but Icelander's bit just about sums me up perfectly. Lately I've found myself in more or less of a perpetual mid-life crisis. Society and culture have nothing to offer that would ever fulfill me on a deep level, and I'm past the point where I could fool myself into believing otherwise.

I also feel like the psychedelic experience, and sharing it with people I know and love, is a staple of my life. Unfortunately within our culture there is no outlet for this passion of mine to take root and grow. Having gone through the justice system for psychedelics was very discouraging for me as well. I don't know though, psychedelics gave me a lot of hope about a brighter reality, that is perhaps false or at least unrealistic. "False hope is worse than slammed dope." I think this has happened to a lot of people.   

It all just seems so pointless and futile at times. I feel so out of place in the world, especially among my generation. When I'm in 'normal' social situations I feel like all my interaction is forced. I like to get away from people but after awhile of that I get lonely and feel like I'm missing something. In fact most of my life, I felt like I was always missing something, and that I'm not really 'alive'. The antithesis of this condition for me has been DMT. I believe it can take you to the destination of human consciousness/spirituality, but it won't keep you there. I think this is true of all psychedelics to some degree. So here I am as well trying to find the psychedelic mindset without psychedelics.

I run goddamn circles in my mind, always ending up back in that place where I just want everything to end and nobody to notice and to not have any memory of any of this ever happening. Death. I yearned for it so much and for so long that during one rather immense, over the top trip, I got it. And then I realized that I didn't want to die, and I fought and pleaded and to be allowed to live, I promised that I would be happy, and I was so fucking happy. But the epiphanies get hazy, time goes on, and I'm back to square one again. I don't really want to die. But I don't want to live my whole life feeling like this either - it is a fear that outweighs my fear of death a thousandfold. I have an 'ideal' life...born into a wealthy family, young, great body  good looks and kickass health, I can do anything I set my mind to and have a ton of options available to me, yet all of that seems meaningless to me, and the majority of the time I spend in discontent and depression. Ugh.

What do I live for? Nothing worthy of mention, at least for now.

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We all are being murdered by a similar process
Whether you work at the candy store or slave at the office
The purpose of our life is just to serve the economy
They misinform our minds to paint a picture of harmony
But if you listenin, you know that shits out of tune
Cuz the function of our life is just to work and consume
Fuck reachin out to help the next, there ain't any room
Just close your eyes and block your ears and march to your doom


:tongue:




Thanks for posting such an honest report. Sometimes for myself I find it difficult to admit that things aren't all honky dory. :thumbup:


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7585201 - 11/01/07 06:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I just live....    :ohwell:
No need to pick a certain thing to hold up as a reason for my continuing drive for this journey....
Not saying that won't change, but that is my answer right now....


>^;;^<


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7585334 - 11/01/07 07:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

what were you born for?


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fake estate]
    #7585385 - 11/01/07 07:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I like putting a smile on people's faces; making them forget about responsibility and getting them to just fucking concentrate on the moment at hand; being happy.

I think I would die for that. If people would go to my funeral and others, smiling and telling jokes of old times, that'd be the day.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Boundless]
    #7585560 - 11/01/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

trying to get laid. once that happens i dont care if i die.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Mr_DeeMsTer]
    #7585585 - 11/01/07 08:54 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i don't want to die afraid of death.

i'm living my life (a combination of multiple activities, thoughts, emotions, passions, choices), hopefully, to ensure this.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: AnarchoTrip]
    #7585820 - 11/01/07 10:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

its hard to connect with others who are so wrapped up in their lives in this reality, but i loathe this isolation. at least i am not alone in feeling this way, thank you icelander and grok.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fake estate]
    #7586126 - 11/01/07 11:37 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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what were you born for?




I suspect, most like everyone else's reason for being born....
To experience a unique perspective thru these eye's P.O.V.....  :ohwell:

So far, the fit seems to be perfect....    :smile:  :thumbup:


>^;;^<


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #7586307 - 11/02/07 12:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I live because of the fact im alive.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Boundless]
    #7586829 - 11/02/07 08:01 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I live to be happy.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7586889 - 11/02/07 08:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: cellardoor]
    #7587230 - 11/02/07 10:35 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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its hard to connect with others who are so wrapped up in their lives in this reality, but i loathe this isolation. at least i am not alone in feeling this way, thank you icelander and grok.




right on...often i find my bouts of depression stem from other people around me..i guess in a way i feel sorry for them for still being a cog in the machine..

then one day i went down to breakfast one day to have a bowl of cereal, sat down at the table and ate...2 house flies were on the window trying desperately to get outside..flying into the corners, crawling all around the window...i wanted so badly to help those damn flies

but i know the second i went to touch them to move them in the right direction they would flee in fear, if i spoke to them they would likely not understand my beliefs...i had a weird sense of being wash over myself as i sat there with a spoonful of coco crispies in my mouth

i finally realized that at times it is reasonable to try and help certain people achieve higher levels of enlightenment...but all in all i cant keep trying to show people that there is more to life than reality tv, shit you buy at the mall, sleek cars, and alcohol...

this realization, along with joining this forum, has alleviated a lot of my terrible feelings of isolation and disconnect from a majority of drone humans


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fake estate]
    #7587282 - 11/02/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

i already posted but i have another reason for living,to keep the counter culture alive. I plan on passing my views on to my children so that they will know the truth about life and the society we live in.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7588621 - 11/02/07 04:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

You are wonderful. :heartpump:

I realized that life is truly unbounded and blissful when we stop separating it from death. When we choose understanding instead of fearing or resenting. It's all as finite or infinite as we allow it to be, or as we let ourselves perceive from it. Also the amount of joy that we feel depends exclusively on how much we open up. :yinyang: I love this life and I find myself, more than often, feeling mesmerized by the manner in which everything connects and flows.

I live for being with you :sunny: and sharing this experience together, because it's what I want and it's what I find joy in.
I live because it feels good and because there are so many things to do around here, so many things that I want to show you and do with you and to you. :yesnod:
And besides those reasons that can be somewhat put into words, there are so many others that are so intense and are only to be felt and simply experienced. :heart:


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All this time I've loved you
And never known your face
All this time I've missed you
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Here is true peace
Here my heart knows calm
Safe in your soul
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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #7590333 - 11/03/07 07:32 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the replies everyone, especially you, MT. :hug: :inlove:

I've really enjoyed reading. :smile:

I live for being held prisoner. :smirk: :yesnod:


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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7592869 - 11/03/07 10:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Wow, potent ass posts.
Thanks everyone who contributed.
I live to lucid dream. I live to serve my higher power.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Icelander]
    #7593081 - 11/03/07 11:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I live for the psychedelic experience. I am trying to find it without the psychedelics now. It's not easy is what I have found out. Most of the cultural things that are supposed to make life worthwhile do not do it hardly at all for me. So I'm kind of in limbo these days. It's uncomfortable.




Hey, I hear ya. What is uncomfortable for me is that all of my intellectually spiritual identity is rapidly vanishing. Almost suddenly, I am sounding like a Zen Buddhist. I don't even like the Japanese aesthetic! I wore aCeltic cross around my neck Halloween, but it was more for the Celtic sensibility than the Christian virtue of self-sacrifice. I see the cross as the crucifixion of the ego (Iesus) against the infinite backdrop of Eternity (God), but this seems no different to me now than the ego and the Clear Light in a Buddhist idiom. Iesus saves all right, but only through the Teaching that Eternity alone is Eternal. This Teaching is sure to kill the ego and all its fantasies of personal immortality. We can relax, it's OK to die. It's not suffocation - that was birth! In death, there's no need to breath. It is the Kumbhaka (breathing retention) between the Puraka (inbreath) and Rechaka (outbreath). Eternal Moment. Can you feel me?

Is this psychedelic (mind-manifesting) to you? It's way beyond the vaulted cathedrals of bumble-bee droning eye-balled kaleidoscopes of iridescent light at this stage. It's more about being riveted to the here & now like those early acid trips where you sat in the same place for hours in real time, only now one can move about freely. So it's more Sahaj than Nirvikalpa, less rigid, more fluid. It's more Awareness that life and death occur with every inspiration-expiration - that death is no more than an expiration that is simply not followed by an inhalation. Liberation says "Fear not." What sayest thou?



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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7593088 - 11/03/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

taking the time to see wonder in another eye


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Cherk]
    #7593314 - 11/04/07 01:40 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

and my "days on the town"
hollering time on the milk box
when I come back pretty sure im the only person convinced that im not jesus or not convinced that i am

haha look at that play of words
no Phd gonna teach you that
that pure might and anger son


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7593515 - 11/04/07 05:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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fireworks_god said:
Thanks for the replies everyone, especially you, MT. :hug: :inlove:

I've really enjoyed reading. :smile:

I live for being held prisoner. :smirk: :yesnod:




Ohh
That's a good and wise choice. :smirk:
I live to make you my prisoner! :heartpump:


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7593848 - 11/04/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think with age Markos, if one keeps looking, there comes a full grokking of the transient nature of material manifestation including the material self and mind. Everything of importance (for oneself) is within the self.

I have also found myself looking at things in the "plain style" Rather than searching for Nirvana or Enlightenment I seek to be fully relaxed in my body and mind.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Icelander]
    #7593856 - 11/04/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think what you're talking about, Icelander, is more of a full time meditation than a desperate and eager grasping for escape or transcendence. Relaxation is the key in this, otherwise the mind quickly takes over and is playing games with YOU.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: EternalCowabunga]
    #7593872 - 11/04/07 09:25 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes. Hard to do but IMO the only realistic goal for me.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Icelander]
    #7593920 - 11/04/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I live for the pursuit of knowledge and the improvement of myself every day.

I live to make myself happy.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Icelander]
    #7594200 - 11/04/07 11:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Rather than searching for Nirvana or Enlightenment I seek to be fully relaxed in my body and mind.




Haha. That is Nirvana. To achieve this state takes a lot of hard work and requires uprooting many deeply rooted things we have in our mind. In fact, this is what meditation is actually for (as taught by the Buddha). Mindfulness is observing minds attention so that you can see clearly when the mind is not in a relaxed state. For example, if anger arises in you it is helpful to understand you are angry. If you aren't mindful of your present mental state, then you are a slave to its afflictions.

Oh btw, someone said that attachment is the cause of suffering. That is not it. Attachment/clinging is the result of craving. Craving is the source of our suffering. Without craving we have full loving acceptance of the present moment; complete relaxation. Of course, this is just the mundane description.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Icelander]
    #7594293 - 11/04/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've noticed that even within the Buddhist idiom, Japanese Buddhism, Zen in particular, has an attitude closer to your notion of 'relaxation' than Indian or Tibetan Buddhism. In those, it seems, there is more of an emphasis on unusual conditions of everyday mind and less an appreciation for simple sensual awareness of the Present. I've always felt that my moment-to-moment awareness should feel as densely mental as those first trips, when the very air was suffused with 'Mind' and it was almost tangible, like moving through a much denser medium than air, perhaps sentient Clear Light. I wonder if I've been 'stuck' in the 'then there is no mountain' stage for decades, and now I've entered the 'then there is' stage.

I'm an INTP type and Sensing is an inferior function relative to Intuition. I have always done work with my hands to balance my ego out between Sensing-Intuition, but now, with the increased realization of a needlessness for intellectualization, there seems to be yet another imbalance between the Thinking-Feeling axis of my ego. Like my Lady, it has been ideas that evoke Feelings more than sensate existence. It's not that I (or we) cannot appreciate nature and art, we can and do, but we are wired for different tendencies. I have queried my Lady about divesting myself of my library (she has her own), but she strongly vetoed the notion.

I might look like a middle-aged man who simply gardens and tends his pool, but its all Zen to me. The plants and lawn are like a Bonzai tree's relationship with its gardner, and the pool is like a Zen rock garden but the ripples of water are more impermanent than the raked rows of pebbles. When my mind is crystal clear, so is the pool :smile:



There seems to be a new relationship for me between 'Space' (the Blue prayer flag) and 'Earth, Water, Fire and Air' (Yellow, Green, Red and White flags) which exist in Space. Perhaps my spirituality has begun to be less focused on the Nirvanic and more accepting of the Samsaric. Hopefully this translates more into a better balance in the detachment-attachment dynamic that constellates around me. I'm wound pretty tightly, and I surely could learn to "relax."

Peace.


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7594367 - 11/04/07 12:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Doing what one does is enough. Tending this or that or climbing the mountain are the same to me. This is a big change in thinking for me.

I could definitely make good use of that pool. Sweet!:thumbup:


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: Icelander]
    #7594545 - 11/04/07 01:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Anytime you want to pass through the Sunshine State, feel free to stay over, perhaps on the way to Key West. The pool temp is a 'cool' 80 degrees F., but we had a cold snap last night and the air temp dropped to 65 degrees! :grin: The humidity hit an amazing low of 37% which is unbelievable since it is often in the 90+% range. Humidity is currently at 51% and we opened the windows for the first time today since last March.

We have no mountains to climb, but given the above info, it's a good thing that repairing and replacing wood-rot is one of my past-times. Shoot, I haven't swum in the ocean (maybe 4 or 5 miles to the beach) in 11 years. Couldn't care less and I used to scuba dive. Weird. I think we're not necessarily more Enlightened, I think we're just getting old! :tongue:


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Re: What Do You Live For? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #7594690 - 11/04/07 01:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think we're not necessarily more Enlightened, I think we're just getting old! :tongue:


You've touched a hot spot here. I am thinking through just this question these days. I'll have to get back to you on it.


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