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Konyap


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Konyap]
#7587744 - 11/02/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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pychonautix, people see faces in generally everything we possibly can. less lookin up at the clouds was nuff to drive one mad
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leafing


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7588159 - 11/02/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mastamike1118 said: psychedelics are enlightening theyll just clear your shit up
not necessarily.. trust me.. i became "mentally ill" because of LSD, and my family history , you know genetics! did it first when i was 12 (LSD that is) and was diagnosed bipolar when i was 12... and in the following 4 years i went through 4 vials.. i don't even know the nu mber of times Ive tripped but approximately half a thousand times in a 4 year period, usually in large doses... I'm not demonizing LSD or advocating its use the only thing I'm advocating is to think seriously about what you put in your body, and then make the decision...... you never know, shit happens
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: leafing]
#7588297 - 11/02/07 03:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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leafing said:
not necessarily.. trust me.. i became "mentally ill" because of LSD, and my family history , you know genetics! did it first when i was 12 (LSD that is) and was diagnosed bipolar when i was 12... and in the following 4 years i went through 4 vials.. i don't even know the nu mber of times Ive tripped but approximately half a thousand times in a 4 year period, usually in large doses... I'm not demonizing LSD or advocating its use the only thing I'm advocating is to think seriously about what you put in your body, and then make the decision...... you never know, shit happens
No offense dude but I can't respect your opinion if what your saying is true. That is a text book definition of irresponsible and stupid.
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Moo456
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
#7588388 - 11/02/07 03:57 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well if what hes saying is true he was just young and he learned his lesson.
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Crystal G



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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Moo456]
#7588451 - 11/02/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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i dont see how a drug like lsd would make somebody bipolar. schizo maybe, but bipolar???
i see alcohol as more of a drug that makes people bipolar. alcoholics, and bipolars, are typically people who just cant control their emotions, in my opinion.
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Moo456]
#7588452 - 11/02/07 04:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm sure hes aware it was irresponsible, thats not the point.
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: soldatheero]
#7588632 - 11/02/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't believe there is a direct cause and effect relationship between psychedelics and mental illness but their effect on consciousness should definitely be studied further. I think for leafing, improper usage of LSD at such a young age acted as a catalyst since he was already predisposed to such condition.
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BiG_StroOnZ
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Land_Crab]
#7588733 - 11/02/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mental illness or the lack thereof, translation; it's non-existent. Whatever those believe is what manifests into reality. The Law of Attraction is very real, anyone who takes Psychedelics or Entheogens should know why (DMT!?). If you don't, it's because human consciousness is nothing more than a dream state. What you experience when you're awake is in actuality, merely a dream, whether you'd like to believe it or not. Your dreams are closer to reality than anything.
The idea of heaven, "Christ-Consciousness" or the fourth-dimensional mind-state; is when all humans on this planet realize this, and heaven is then brought to Earth (metaphorically speaking). Heaven is not some mystical place you go to when you die. It's the complete opposite; it's a mental state that all beings will experience through enlightenment, while they're alive. This is heaven, this is paradise, and we just have been interfered with since day one on this planet. That's why it hasn't happened yet, however now we have nature on our side. The biggest polar shift in human consciousness begins now, a mental paradigm will initiate fully by 2008. From there, everything will take its all-natural course.
How is this going to happen? When will it happen? Right now as you read this. During the "Age of Aquarius" aka. The Apocalypse to the Greeks, oh and don’t be deceived, Apocalypse means “The Revealing.” The New Age starts after the Age of Aquarius, 2008-2012.
Oh and as a side note, if ANYTHING, regarding mental illness or a family history of illness. The reason there’s an on-going history or repetitive cycle of this “illness” is the result of not cleansing the mental psyche. There’s only one way to do this, through Psychedelics or Entheogens.
Entheogen - Any plant or chemical substance that induces a mystical experience. En - Greek: "into or within" to encapsulate. Theo - Greek: God Gen - Greek: To generate or engender - "to bring into existence" The word is derived from the Greek word "Theo" or "God" and "Genesis" which means "becoming". The word entheogen literally means, "becoming god" or "becoming godlike". Psychedelic - To make the mind clear or visible. Latin: Psyche - meaning mind, delos - meaning to make clear or visible
PS. Excuse me for my enthusiasm.
Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (11/02/07 05:36 PM)
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#7589042 - 11/02/07 06:53 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Entheogen -
Any plant or chemical substance that induces a mystical experience.
En - Greek: "into or within" to encapsulate.
Theo - Greek: God
Gen - Greek: To generate or engender - "to bring into existence"
The word is derived from the Greek word "Theo" or "God" and "Genesis" which means "becoming". The word entheogen literally means, "becoming god" or "becoming godlike".
Psychedelic - To make the mind clear or visible. Latin: Psyche - meaning mind, delos - meaning to make clear or visible
excellent information
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: JstHereFrTheCake]
#7589642 - 11/02/07 10:03 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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leafing said:
not necessarily.. trust me.. i became "mentally ill" because of LSD, and my family history , you know genetics! did it first when i was 12 (LSD that is) and was diagnosed bipolar when i was 12... and in the following 4 years i went through 4 vials.. i don't even know the nu mber of times Ive tripped but approximately half a thousand times in a 4 year period, usually in large doses... I'm not demonizing LSD or advocating its use the only thing I'm advocating is to think seriously about what you put in your body, and then make the decision...... you never know, shit happens
No offense dude but I can't respect your opinion if what your saying is true. That is a text book definition of irresponsible and stupid.
He's got a point, you should respect his opinion. If someone who doesn't know anything about psychedelics were to read this thread and see the post saying that all they do is "clear your shit up," they could be seriously mislead.
Leafing gave another perspective on the issue, one thats more real in my opinion. It's a good warning to those that could possibly have trouble with these experiences.
Wouldn't want some kid dosing a stupid amount of LSD because he's confused and thinks that "PSYCHEDELICS ARE THE ANSWER!!!".
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: opensaysme]
#7590047 - 11/03/07 01:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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opensaysme said:
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JstHereFrTheCake said:
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leafing said:
not necessarily.. trust me.. i became "mentally ill" because of LSD, and my family history , you know genetics! did it first when i was 12 (LSD that is) and was diagnosed bipolar when i was 12... and in the following 4 years i went through 4 vials.. i don't even know the nu mber of times Ive tripped but approximately half a thousand times in a 4 year period, usually in large doses... I'm not demonizing LSD or advocating its use the only thing I'm advocating is to think seriously about what you put in your body, and then make the decision...... you never know, shit happens
No offense dude but I can't respect your opinion if what your saying is true. That is a text book definition of irresponsible and stupid.
He's got a point, you should respect his opinion. If someone who doesn't know anything about psychedelics were to read this thread and see the post saying that all they do is "clear your shit up," they could be seriously mislead.
Leafing gave another perspective on the issue, one thats more real in my opinion. It's a good warning to those that could possibly have trouble with these experiences.
Wouldn't want some kid dosing a stupid amount of LSD because he's confused and thinks that "PSYCHEDELICS ARE THE ANSWER!!!".
Children don't need Psychedelics, this is obvious. However there's a reason for this, and it’s because a child's natural mind state is highly-psychedelic. In the human-beings' stages of adolescence (Typically 0-12 Years), the natural DMT levels are exceedingly elevated; a newborn's natural DMT levels are in fact remarkably high, and as they get older their DMT levels begin to wean.
Typically, once puberty is set in motion the levels begin to rapidly drop. This is a result of Testosterone in Men, and Estrogen in Woman; These hormones almost have a cataclysmic affect on the bodies’ natural production of endogenous DMT.
Could I go in greater detail? Of course, but I’ll keep it simple and leave it for your own investigation...
Example: The first time you consumed the Psilocybe, your initial reaction was more in likely, “What is this?” or as I like to call it, “I feel like I’m a kid again.”
Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (11/03/07 01:39 AM)
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#7590491 - 11/03/07 09:20 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Children don't need Psychedelics, this is obvious. However there's a reason for this, and it’s because a child's natural mind state is highly-psychedelic. In the human-beings' stages of adolescence (Typically 0-12 Years), the natural DMT levels are exceedingly elevated; a newborn's natural DMT levels are in fact remarkably high, and as they get older their DMT levels begin to wean.
Typically, once puberty is set in motion the levels begin to rapidly drop. This is a result of Testosterone in Men, and Estrogen in Woman; These hormones almost have a cataclysmic affect on the bodies’ natural production of endogenous DMT.
Could I go in greater detail? Of course, but I’ll keep it simple and leave it for your own investigation...
Example: The first time you consumed the Psilocybe, your initial reaction was more in likely, “What is this?” or as I like to call it, “I feel like I’m a kid again.”
Yeah, when you look at little kids walking around it really is like they are tripping. They're staring wide eyed at everything like they're seeing it for the first time (which in many cases they are). I have no doubt that the ages of 5-10 were the happiest years of my life, for just that reason.
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: opensaysme]
#7590637 - 11/03/07 10:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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opensaysme said:
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leafing said:
not necessarily.. trust me.. i became "mentally ill" because of LSD, and my family history , you know genetics! did it first when i was 12 (LSD that is) and was diagnosed bipolar when i was 12... and in the following 4 years i went through 4 vials.. i don't even know the nu mber of times Ive tripped but approximately half a thousand times in a 4 year period, usually in large doses... I'm not demonizing LSD or advocating its use the only thing I'm advocating is to think seriously about what you put in your body, and then make the decision...... you never know, shit happens
No offense dude but I can't respect your opinion if what your saying is true. That is a text book definition of irresponsible and stupid.
He's got a point, you should respect his opinion. If someone who doesn't know anything about psychedelics were to read this thread and see the post saying that all they do is "clear your shit up," they could be seriously mislead.
Leafing gave another perspective on the issue, one thats more real in my opinion. It's a good warning to those that could possibly have trouble with these experiences.
Wouldn't want some kid dosing a stupid amount of LSD because he's confused and thinks that "PSYCHEDELICS ARE THE ANSWER!!!".
shit yea but telling people that itll fuck you up mentally isnt going to help them neither
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Mastamike1118]
#7590643 - 11/03/07 10:48 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh god i know what you mean.. psychedelics and depression do not mix!!!!!! for me it always increases the risk of a bad and very sad trip
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#7591149 - 11/03/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Can you send me a link to where you got this information. I thought that DMT in the human brain was just speculation and little about it was understood. My childhood was happy and new but it wasn't psychedelic.
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g00ru
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: jellyfish]
#7591160 - 11/03/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jellyfish said: Can you send me a link to where you got this information. I thought that DMT in the human brain was just speculation and little about it was understood. My childhood was happy and new but it wasn't psychedelic.
Well they aren't actually tripping but you can draw a strong parallel.
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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: g00ru]
#7591169 - 11/03/07 01:43 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Taking mushrooms gave me sensations that surprised me a lot. They weren't new sensations; I simply hadn't experienced them since I was a little child. I definitely think there is something to this idea.
That said, while it is a fact that the human brain produces and uses DMT to some end, I don't think it is a fact that the younger you are, the more DMT you have. I would like to know where this piece of info comes from.
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