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    #7582067 - 10/31/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: g00ru]
    #7582073 - 10/31/07 07:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm schizophrenic too and we trip all the time.


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: despisedicon]
    #7582080 - 10/31/07 07:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm schizophrenic too and we trip all the time.




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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: g00ru]
    #7582090 - 10/31/07 07:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

if it hasnt happend yet probably not. if its not in your genes its not in your genes. my grandma had schizo and i used to get kinda nervous when i tripped i.e. o man i hope ill come down after this. after tripping about 100 times now im pretty sure im good to go but you never know man.


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: g00ru]
    #7582093 - 10/31/07 07:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I think it has a lot to do with how much a person lets experiences impact them.

But no, just because it hasn't done something bad doesn't mean it wont. The more often you introduce the alien endorphins, the more changes that will occur in your brain. Having those type of signals too often will cause your brain to write too much irrelevent information making it harder to function in the world.

This may be opinion, but i think LSD and LSA are the worst when it comes to long term effects, so dont use those too often.


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Moo456]
    #7582141 - 10/31/07 07:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I kind of agree with Moo here, I think a greater liklihood accompanies LSD as opposed to shrooms.

I think it all depends upon the user, not their family.


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: g00ru]
    #7582183 - 10/31/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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guruu said:I realize there is a chance of course, and that I should always take extreme caution (set and setting, etc.) but if it hasn't already happened, is there a pretty good chance that it never will?



Well, the fact you've had many psychedelic experiences but have never manifested symptoms of schizophrenia as a result is a big plus. On the other hand it's important to remember that schizophrenia in most cases manifests itself during the teens and twenties, so statistically you're still at an increased risk simply by virtue of your age and your lineage. If you want to continue to use hallucinogens I can't think of any good reason to stop; just keep using them "responsibly" (by which I mean don't trip after sleep deprivation, ginormous doses, etc..) and if you should experience any noticeable symptoms of schizophrenia/psychosis treat them with the utmost concern. (And obviously stay far away from drugs with a reputation for inducing psychosis such as methamphetamine.)


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Land_Crab]
    #7582214 - 10/31/07 08:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Lsd's been nothing but nice to me, but then again, my strongest dose was 1.5 hits and it came close to my "sweet spot." While I was enjoying it, I remember thinking 2 would have been perfect... I have generalized/social anxiety issues but this apparently doesn't effect the trip in a negative way... From what I've heard, I'd be more careful with psilocybin because it supposedly knows exactly what buttons to push when, to make you beg for mercy when you're getting a little too cocky and least expecting it... I never experienced this with lsd and hope never will. Having said that, it might be necessary at times to bring you back down and let you know who's boss or if what you're after is troubleshooting and unearthing problems that you want to resolve in your life and things of that sort...


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Land_Crab]
    #7582216 - 10/31/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

my brother is schizto, however he's only my half brother. thought i do still worry about that seeing as i have yet to take my first mushroom trip. His symptoms began to surface long before he took shrooms though, back when he was only smoking pot. I find myself to be far more sound mentally than he was.


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: x2and2makes5]
    #7582234 - 10/31/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've tripped on acid and shrooms about 50 times all together... the only time I had an experience where shit happened that almost seemed schizophrenic, was this one time when I shroomed and convinced myself that everybody on the internet was actually me on a different account. It scared the shit out of me, as I decided I was a festering sore of a person and using the internet to convince myself I was rational, but I realized how wacky the idea was an hour or two after it got into my head.

Is that really schizophrenic-type stuff? How exactly do you define symptoms of schizophrenia?


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
    #7582287 - 10/31/07 08:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I've tripped on acid and shrooms about 50 times all together... the only time I had an experience where shit happened that almost seemed schizophrenic, was this one time when I shroomed and convinced myself that everybody on the internet was actually me on a different account. It scared the shit out of me, as I decided I was a festering sore of a person and using the internet to convince myself I was rational, but I realized how wacky the idea was an hour or two after it got into my head.

Is that really schizophrenic-type stuff? How exactly do you define symptoms of schizophrenia?



i think schizophrenia is more of thinking that people are always after u
anyways i dont think its good to even be worrying that ur not mentally healthy


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: xpl0de]
    #7582319 - 10/31/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for the knowledge. I feel pretty safe, and have no schizo tendencies whatsoever. I just wanted to talk about it because the last thing you need going into a shroom trip is worrying about whether you are schizophrenic or not (because if you're worrying about it, the shrooms will give you ample evidence with which to worry).


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: g00ru]
    #7582370 - 10/31/07 08:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Schizophrenia is a series of symptoms not just one thing. Also the definition on it is still disputed to this day among psychologists.

Whoever said acid is more likely to make mental illness come about than shrooms is completely wrong. I could see where you're coming from i guess in that acid's duration is a lot longer which would cause someone to be in that altered state for a greater amount of time. But shrooms can be just as damaging to the fragile psyche. Trust me.


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: opensaysme]
    #7582521 - 10/31/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Funny thing about the idea of insanity, as long as you are doing what other people expect you to do, you are classed as sane. You can be a real arrogant jerk, obsessed with putting other people down and deluded about your own status etc. But you wont be classed as insane, you will just be known as a jerk. This behaviour seems to be insane to me, but since so many other people do it, its regarded as normal human behavior. But if you start seeing yourself or other people from a perspective their not used too or have never even considered, suddenly your know as insane. Which would you rather be, a sane conformist, or an insane genius :grin:


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: opensaysme]
    #7582541 - 10/31/07 10:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If I want to a psychologist and told them about all the crazy shit I have seen while on psychedelics they would label me as schizophrenic after the first few sessions,(after I told them how some of these ideas still feel very real to me).

I have deaths on both sides of my family because of this "disorder".
(suicides).

I didnt know this until after I had tripped atleast 60 times.
I can tell you that I experience these drugs differently than most people.

Every trip was epic, and it never lost its magic or "didnt give me visuals".....lol

I unlike some trippers understand schizophrenia and how these psychedelic states of mind have a whole fucking lot to do with the schizophrenic state of mind.

I would be diagnosed in a heart beat.
I have a close friend who is schizophrenic. He doesnt have a job, and lives off of his girlfriend and gov cheese.
I know exactly what he is going through because I have been to some similare places.
In reality though, sadly he is just a somewhat normal guy on alot of meds that make his fat ass skinny, and he doesnt feel like he should have to get a job. He is so damn comfortable with the fact that he has a moderate case of "schizophrenia".


I too am sick of people babbling about how people whos family's have a history of mental illness should never think its ok to even try these substances.
Thats just not something I would ever say to someone.

I have seen the fine line between schizophrenia and what is considered to be normal.
Thus, I am fully schizotypal and psychedelics did nothing but interest the hell out of me and teach me uncommon shit that I wouldnt give up for almost anything.

The most fucked up thing about this topic is the fact that some of these people are just really fucking good at seeing the depth of the psychedelic experience.
I know that my families history has something to do with how I experienced these drugs for so many years.
How different my experiences are from your average joe.

When I first picked up the saxophone at the age of 10, they actually thought I might be autistic because of how I could play after a few lessons, and how I interacted with the teacher.
As it turns out I have great verbal skills and am somewhat normal although I do exibit signs of mental issues. If you were to meet me you would have no idea that I have been to strange and unspeakable places.
I have more schizophrenia in my genes than almost anyone.
I just used it to my advantage as strange as it sounds.
I was a person who for some reason had a choice it would seem.
Go figure after 170 or so trips I stopped using psychedelics because I saw that the next trip could be the best ever, but I might not come back with my mind intact to the point where I can put myself back together or differentiate between "tripping balls in an uncommon way", and being somewhat normal.

Im not autistic and am not schizophrenic. To some degree these supposed curses are clearly blessings aswell. This is very clear to me anyways.

Too many blurred lines out there.

I would tend to say, that If you have a family history of mental illness(namely schizophrenia), you might be very special in the realm of tripping. Be careful would still be my last word though.

Nobody should be deprived of the psychedelic experience, especially if they are genetically better than your average joe when it comes to experiencing these drugs.

Its a slippery slope.

I too am sick of hearing people say that you are an idiot if you are genetically "inferior" and decide to take a psychedelic drug.

Thats just because people who say that dont know the half of it.

If you wonder about what schizophrenia has to do with the psychedelic experience, read up on it or ask denise mckenna.................lol.

That fuckin guy was never just messing around.


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: yageman]
    #7582567 - 10/31/07 10:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree with you totally Yageman. Most people cant handle the schizophrenic type consciousness. But that is more their inability to cope with it rather than anything innately wrong with it. In the past people with these traits were regarded as mystics, who had knowledge other people weren't able to attain.


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: DimensionX]
    #7582620 - 10/31/07 10:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

exactly..........

Its not all black and white.
There are alot of colors out there......lol


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: yageman]
    #7582689 - 10/31/07 11:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The term "schizophrenic" is bullshit, it's just a word that combines many different mental disorders into one thing which is improperly diagnosed. Doctors now diagnose each disorder separately because "schizophrenic" is so vague and not real.

quote]opensaysme said:
Schizophrenia is a series of symptoms not just one thing. Also the definition on it is still disputed to this day among psychologists.

Whoever said acid is more likely to make mental illness come about than shrooms is completely wrong. I could see where you're coming from i guess in that acid's duration is a lot longer which would cause someone to be in that altered state for a greater amount of time. But shrooms can be just as damaging to the fragile psyche. Trust me.




Exactly..


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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: Caribou_Lou]
    #7582720 - 11/01/07 12:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The term "schizophrenic" is bullshit, it's just a word that combines many different mental disorders into one thing which is improperly diagnosed. Doctors now diagnose each disorder separately because "schizophrenic" is so vague and not real.

quote]opensaysme said:
Schizophrenia is a series of symptoms not just one thing. Also the definition on it is still disputed to this day among psychologists.

Whoever said acid is more likely to make mental illness come about than shrooms is completely wrong. I could see where you're coming from i guess in that acid's duration is a lot longer which would cause someone to be in that altered state for a greater amount of time. But shrooms can be just as damaging to the fragile psyche. Trust me.


 

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Re: "Those with history of family illness should not do psychedelics" [Re: DimensionX]
    #7582860 - 11/01/07 02:27 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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DimensionX said:Most people cant handle the schizophrenic type consciousness. But that is more their inability to cope with it rather than anything innately wrong with it. In the past people with these traits were regarded as mystics, who had knowledge other people weren't able to attain.



It's true that psychosis, or schizophrenia come in different flavors. But two very common ingredients are hallucinations (usually auditory) and/or severe delusions. Paranoid schizophrenia would be the classic example of this. Such hallucinations, which are usually unpleasant and most frequently manifest themselves auditorily as real voices of self-attack, playing on an individuals insecurities almost like the Puppet MasterĀ® and causing the person to get very upset. Add the possibility of the becoming absolutely convinced s/he is a targets of persecutive conspiracies and we're almost totally over the zone of genuine pathological cognitive and likely behavioral tendencies
There are other types of schizophrenia even more debilitating such as catatonic schizophrenia in which people become frozen in place almost like statues for hours or days. Other 'schizophreniacs' (i.e. "undifferentiated") are sometimes able to function on at least a basic level, though schizophrenia is degenerative in that the symptoms tend to get more severe over time.
There are accepted, specific, and quite objective qualifications to determine if someone is really 'sick' -- and schizophrenia is generally the most debilitating mental disorder we know of. This is not to denigrate the importance of analyzing our (contemporary Western) over-tendency to want to pathologize and categorize 'abnormal' human behavior, because that is a very, very important point. But this very legitimate criticism must be tempered with the convictions and knowledge that people who are disturbed enough to lose their ability to function basically and for extended periods of time more often than not need help and fall outside the limits of psychosociocultural norms.


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