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MOTH
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Tripping while on a long water fast
#7581184 - 10/31/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I fast a lot, but I still want to trip and even though I know it would be better to wait, I think I'm gonna test out tripping + fasting. Fasting makes everything so much more intense.
My one concern is passing out while tripping. The other day at work I accidently hit my hand and it caused a lot of pain, and even though I felt fine before, when the pain hit, I got dizzy, sick and had to lay down because I was passing out.
I don't know if tripping with all those crazy body sensations would instigate the same effect while on a fast. I definitely don't want to feel the way I did the other day while tripping hard.
But...I just kinda want to risk it for some reason.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7581224 - 10/31/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What are you talking about tripping off of?
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: TripleTree3]
#7581239 - 10/31/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Either 2ci, LSD, mushrooms, or ecstasy, or I'll just combine ecstasy with LSD or mushrooms.
I have the feeling I'd have the best luck with mushrooms, but that would probably make me really, really sick because even having juice in my stomach right now gives me a bellyache because of the water fast.
So my next thought would be LSD, ecstasy or 2ci. But I have never tried 2ci before and I hear the body load is intense, so I might pass on that.
I just want to trip but I don't want to stop fasting yet. LSD would probably be my best bet if I don't want to pass out or anything, I hope. Either that or a mushroom tea.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7581277 - 10/31/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Well in my opinion, if your gonna do it, take the LSD, and load up on vitamin pills and supplements and shit just before.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7581281 - 10/31/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know man, I have blacked out during a trip (well, I was going to black out but controlled it so I stayed conscious) but it was on the tail-end of it, after not eating much that day and smoking good cheeba.
If you fast beforehand and trip, just be careful how much physical exertion you put yourself through. It might be considered to take some multivitamins if you've got laying around, and some Ginseng might be a great idea as well. Unless you're totally hardcore and don't want to take anything else besides your chosen hallucinogen, then I'd suggest some sort of support for your body.
This is just from some experience and logical reasoning, so don't take my word as law
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: blacksun]
#7581348 - 10/31/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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blacksun said: Well in my opinion, if your gonna do it, take the LSD, and load up on vitamin pills and supplements and shit just before.
LSD has always suppressed my appetite and helped me see how beneficial it is to fast, so I feel safest taking that while on a fast. Plus it stays on your tongue instead of going into your stomach. It may be a few weeks before I get some though. I may have mushrooms before then.
I just wondered if anyone else around here has tripped while on a water fast of up to 10-20 days? Don't shamans fast before they trip?
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7592558 - 11/03/07 09:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude are you being safe with all this fasting? I thought a fast was something you were supposed to do every once in a while to cleanse your system. It seems by your posts that your constantly fasting, or starving yourself. I'm just worried about you. How much weight have you lost since you started all this?
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: Dreamer987]
#7592657 - 11/03/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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this sounds like a horrible idea to me
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7592693 - 11/03/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think you'll be ok. You seem to be really experienced with fasting, and going without water for over 10 days is something that i wish i could accomplish.
I wouldn't take ecstacy though, because it could potentially dehydrate you to a dangerous level. LSD is your best bet i think. Easy to take, no stomach-usage, and helps you fast.
If you are iffy, start with a low dose. You are fasting for 10 days, so you can do it twice during the fast if you want to.
And when you say you are water fasting, do you mean that you are drinking other drinks than water, or you are completely depriving yourself of drinks, and just eating hydrated foods? 10 days is an extremely long time to deny yourself drink.
Elaborate on how you are fasting.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: Drewwyann]
#7593039 - 11/03/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Honestly, I dub this idea to be officially known as one of the most illogical of all ideas in the universe. Taking psychedelics, especially MDMA, without hydration is comparable to; running a marathon and not drinking a single drop of water; before, during, or after.
Being wise is anodyne...
PS. I'm not doubting your experience with Psychedelic usage, nor fasting. However, I'm more concerned with your health here. I'd say if you want to "trip" real bad, then at least pick up a couple Vitamin Waters for the trip brotha. It won't ruin your fast, and it will replenish your mind, body, and soul.
Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (11/03/07 11:30 PM)
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#7593077 - 11/03/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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No no,, a 'water fast' is not abstaining from water, it means only drinking water and not ingesting anything else. I consider it a true fast (unlike juice fasting) because your body really shuts down from depending on outside sources for nutrition after about 3 days, and then you begin to get rid of years of built up toxins in your body after a while. (eg. evidence., pee goes from almost clear to dark brown after about 7 days for me) Most people actually have plenty of ability to survive w/out food for up to 40 days, before your body starts to experience true hunger and goes into starvation mode.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7593082 - 11/03/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hi MOTH, I searched the forums and found this thread. I know its been a long time since you posted this, but I'm wondering what came of it. I'm in the middle of two week water fast (4th day now) and had the same thoughts as you it seems.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: treeyei]
#7593087 - 11/03/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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treeyei said: No no,, a 'water fast' is not abstaining from water, it means only drinking water and not ingesting anything else. I consider it a true fast (unlike juice fasting) because your body really shuts down from depending on outside sources for nutrition after about 3 days, and then you begin to get rid of years of built up toxins in your body after a while. (eg. evidence., pee goes from almost clear to dark brown after about 7 days for me) Most people actually have plenty of ability to survive w/out food for up to 40 days, before your body starts to experience true hunger and goes into starvation mode.
This makes me feel much better about the whole idea definitely, then, my apologies to the original poster.
However, I still believe in nutrition. I'd recommend drinking some sort of Vitamin Water on this trip (Except if it's made by SoBe, that's the Egyptian God of the Underworld aka. Hell)

PS. I might have to just try this.
Edited by BiG_StroOnZ (11/03/07 11:58 PM)
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
#7593940 - 11/04/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nevermind, I also thought you were not drinking water. I'm skinny and have an abnormally fast metabolism so if I don't eat I will pass out and feel very sick, this has happened to me on a coke binge.
Edited by Caribou_Lou (11/04/07 09:52 AM)
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7593959 - 11/04/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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so, you only drink water for 10-20 days? How is it that it gets rid of roxins in your body? I would like to try it for 2 days and then work my way up possibly. Sounds hard. Especially since I'm in love with food and such culinary things.
I dunno. This just doesn't sound like a healthy thing, as much as a mentally healthy thing. Can anyone explain to me the benefits of water fasting?
PS, I feel stupid for not figuring out "water fasting" before. I've heard of it before, and knew what it was, but my mind just went blank there.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: Drewwyann]
#7593996 - 11/04/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Drewwyann said: I think you'll be ok. You seem to be really experienced with fasting, and going without water for over 10 days is something that i wish i could accomplish.
I wouldn't take ecstacy though, because it could potentially dehydrate you to a dangerous level. LSD is your best bet i think. Easy to take, no stomach-usage, and helps you fast.
If you are iffy, start with a low dose. You are fasting for 10 days, so you can do it twice during the fast if you want to.
And when you say you are water fasting, do you mean that you are drinking other drinks than water, or you are completely depriving yourself of drinks, and just eating hydrated foods? 10 days is an extremely long time to deny yourself drink.
Elaborate on how you are fasting.
I fast on juice and water, or I fast only on water. Which means I drink only water. The water fast is a true fast, where my body only uses its own stores plus the water that I give it. Starvation is when your body runs out of stores and is reduced to the viscera. I still have lots of stores left so nobody needs to worry. I have done my research and spoken to people who have fasted for much longer periods of time then ten days. The body is an amazing thing and with each fast I feel refreshed and learn more about myself.
I rolled on E this weekend and I decided to break my fast with juices and light foods for three days before taking it. Even then the effects of the E have been magnified, and are ongoing, even though I ingested so long ago. When everyone else crashed, I could feel my energy still going, and it still is, mid-afternoon the morning after. The afterglow has been extended and I am still hearing the music in my head.
It was a fun time. I'm glad I waited a few days after fasting before I took it though. I did not want to overstrain myself. Towards the end of water fasting your sensitivity level is incredible. I will eventually experiment with LSD and mushrooms during a water fast (probably not more then five days in, though) and will report back to this thread.
Note: Everyone's bodies are different. Fasting feels natural for me and has opened me up to many new avenues of understanding and experience. I will not debate my preferences with diet in this thread, thank you. Nor do I recommend anyone should fast. Fasting is a personal decision with spirit. Do what you feel.
Edited by MOTH (11/04/07 10:18 AM)
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: treeyei]
#7594013 - 11/04/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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treeyei said: No no,, a 'water fast' is not abstaining from water, it means only drinking water and not ingesting anything else. I consider it a true fast (unlike juice fasting) because your body really shuts down from depending on outside sources for nutrition after about 3 days, and then you begin to get rid of years of built up toxins in your body after a while. (eg. evidence., pee goes from almost clear to dark brown after about 7 days for me) Most people actually have plenty of ability to survive w/out food for up to 40 days, before your body starts to experience true hunger and goes into starvation mode.
Exactly! It's all about cleansing. The water fast was the most difficult thing I've ever done. I chose to suffer towards the end of it, but I believe I can do it easier next time, with less suffering. Each fast goes easier. The more I stay connected to my spirit, the easier it goes. Meditation and yoga seem vital to a successful water fast. I love the mindfulness that seems to go with it.
And you don't know how much you appreciate food post-fast. It's amazing. You realize just how powerful it is. Everything you eat becomes you in some way. When you fast, you're turning over the soil.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7595305 - 11/04/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Update...I am experiencing a very, very harsh E comedown. Body not feel well. Oh well. It's a lesson I had to learn. I imagine now in retrospect that only mushrooms would be something I would do at the end of fasting or during a fast. A gentle landing is crucial...
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7595411 - 11/04/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lol man it sounds like youre gonna die. go eat some food and drink some water broku. otherwise youll prolly dose and realize youre starving to death and freak out
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: BudSmoker420]
#7595422 - 11/04/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm fine. Just achy.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7598315 - 11/05/07 12:26 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I chimed in kinda late on this one, but I've eaten mushrooms after a 3 day fast. I went canoing and lapsed into a bit of a vision episode. When I snapped out of it, the river seemed completely different. We were paddling into choppy water before the mushrooms hit. On the way back it was still and serene and I saw lots of turtles and snakes on the trees. It all went really well.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: arago]
#7598896 - 11/05/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awesome. Did you eat the mushrooms? Or make tea? I worry about stomach upset with eating them during a fast, but maybe it wouldn't be too bad.
In a few weeks I'm going to ingest mushrooms during a nice fast and I'm sure it'll be pretty sweet. Mushrooms have always been so good to me.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7598915 - 11/05/07 03:24 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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The best breakthrough I've ever had came from an eighth of mushies+ one meal in 48 hours and only a few hours sleep. By the time I tripped I hadn't eaten or slept in about 20 hours, and I had just driven a 9 hour drive.
Talk about crazy factors for a mushy trip. I haven't had that absolute ego loss/understanding since. Time for another road trip...
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#7598979 - 11/05/07 03:41 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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you shouldn't fast to the point where you pass out... even with pain you should be able to feel well and live normally while you fast, fasting too much puts a strain on you
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: TripleTree3]
#8891672 - 09/07/08 04:11 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I'm on day 5 of my water fast, and I was wondering if anyone knew if it would be okay to smoke pot without breaking the fast? I mean, smoke isn't really digested, right?
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: sarasvatikama]
#8891741 - 09/07/08 04:24 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i cant understand this fasting thing, i get doing it before trippin fpr your stomach, but i jsut cant see not eating as a healthy alternative for some tasty food in your belly
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: StickyRicky]
#8891810 - 09/07/08 04:37 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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it helps clean out the digestive system as well as facilitating meditation
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8893072 - 09/07/08 08:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Go for it... make sure you meditate. Worst comes to worst have a cliff bar or something on hand for some quick energy.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8893109 - 09/07/08 08:33 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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why are you on a "water fast"?
intentional starvation doesn't seem fun...
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: Beege]
#8893204 - 09/07/08 08:48 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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2 and a half years ago, I water fasted for ten days. Most interesting thing I've ever done. After the third day I wasn't hungry any longer. I had so much energy..... The worst part was the first three days. I'd have dreams of fast food (Krystal's and Taco Bell, lol) and would wake up hungry. After those three days it was smooth sailing. And to be honest, waking life seemed like a low level psychedelic experience. And meditation is crazy. I learned a lot about myself during those 240 hours.
I recommend it for anybody. Be very, very careful coming off of a water fast. Sugar will send you through the roof. Juice or anything sweet, too. Actually, I wouldn't recommend it for everybody. It takes a certain strength of will to see it through to the end. Planning is very important. A week before you start a water fast switch to a raw food diet, i.e. salads, fruit. Or if you're not willing to do that, at least eat cut out meat and processed foods and sugar/caffeine/alcohol/smoking.
And to the guy who's asking about smoking, I'd say no. Fasting is about detoxing your body. Bringing smoke into your lungs and chemicals into your brain is against the whole idea.
If you are interested in changing who you are on a fundamental level, consider fasting.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8893514 - 09/07/08 09:36 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Ecstasy is KNOWN for severely dehydrating the body out. At the very least keep water with you next time.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: b2x]
#8893953 - 09/07/08 11:27 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Doing e after not eating has, in my experience, resulted in some really intense highs.
About three months ago I was under pressure to drop to 48kgs from 50kgs and, being the lazy fuck I am and not knowing the meaning of 'exercise', found myself forced into a few days of starvation. On the fourth (and last) night I dropped and that shit was pretty crazy!! At one stage I did get kind of overamped and felt really really loose so was carried off to a quiet room. Passed out for a good 10 minutes. I can't really remember it, but I know it wasn't pleasant. After that however I was absolutely fine and enjoyed a mega fun 7 or so hours!
What happened with you?
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8894333 - 09/08/08 01:11 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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i blackout out from doing the whole not eating thing the day of the trip. i took the shrooms at night and my friends say i had a seisure, i blacked out. it wasnt fun but i awoke tripping balls which was kinda cool. lol.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
#8894356 - 09/08/08 01:19 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I would never do E on a fast(thenagain I would never do E anyway) I would only do LSD, its a drug which is very conducive to fasting.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: djblackout]
#8894360 - 09/08/08 01:20 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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wait what do you mean by sayin sugar puts you through the roof you mean you get hyper or what?
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: sarasvatikama]
#8894600 - 09/08/08 02:30 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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sarasvatikama said: I'm on day 5 of my water fast, and I was wondering if anyone knew if it would be okay to smoke pot without breaking the fast? I mean, smoke isn't really digested, right?
nice, this thread nearly a year old.
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: CptnGarden]
#8895121 - 09/08/08 07:33 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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This fasting stuff sounds like someone is asking for something really bad to happen...
is it just me or does it not seem like a very good idea to take E (a stimulant which can easily do quite a bit of damage without maintaining sufficient hydration) while on a water fast?
as for smoking pot on any kind of fast it would be doable, but what about the munchies and the drys lol that would b torture (most people take drugs to have a good time, rather than torture themselves
Fasting regularly is unhealthy, and combining it with drug use is even worse, and could be extremely dangerous, and i imagine rather than enhancing the trip, it would just add to the delerium the dehydration would cause... just get some datura if thats what your after (lol no, dont )
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: poisonshroom]
#8895166 - 09/08/08 07:50 AM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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dutura would be a disaster on a fast and im still curious as to what is meant by sugar puttin you through the roof does that mean it makes you hyper on it tastes soo good and you love to eat it like a cop at a doughnut store
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: Mushr00m_Man]
#8896298 - 09/08/08 01:19 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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I mean that sugar reveals itself for the psychoactive drug that it truly is. Eat some candy after abstaining from all carbohydrates (not to mention fats and protein) for 10+ days and 1)you'll be bouncing off the walls a.k.a. super hyper and 2)you'll feel like dog ass from the stress on your digestive and nervous systems.
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ManicDelirium
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: youbreakyoubuy]
#8896448 - 09/08/08 01:47 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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The reason behind "water fasting" is to stop the bodies energy that it uses to digest and in turn use it to cleanse your body of impurities...Also helps with other organs and cleansing since the majority of energy used throughout the day is related in the digestion process
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Euphoria89
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: ManicDelirium]
#8904307 - 09/09/08 08:56 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Does anyone have a detailed tutorial on water fasting? Or can someone post a little guide about the process (including cautions and potential dangers).
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Beege
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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: Euphoria89]
#8907479 - 09/10/08 02:52 PM (15 years, 4 months ago) |
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Quote:
Euphoria89 said: Does anyone have a detailed tutorial on water fasting? Or can someone post a little guide about the process (including cautions and potential dangers).
Don't eat.
Drink a lot of water.

( there may be some stage in between of juice and soft foods
Personally, I like a full belly )
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