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Tripping while on a long water fast
    #7581184 - 10/31/07 03:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I fast a lot, but I still want to trip and even though I know it would be better to wait, I think I'm gonna test out tripping + fasting.  Fasting makes everything so much more intense. 

My one concern is passing out while tripping.  The other day at work I accidently hit my hand and it caused a lot of pain, and even though I felt fine before, when the pain hit, I got dizzy, sick and had to lay down because I was passing out. 

I don't know if tripping with all those crazy body sensations would instigate the same effect while on a fast.  I definitely don't want to feel the way I did the other day while tripping hard. 

But...I just kinda want to risk it for some reason.  :shrug:


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
    #7581224 - 10/31/07 03:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What are you talking about tripping off of?


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: TripleTree3]
    #7581239 - 10/31/07 03:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Either 2ci, LSD, mushrooms, or ecstasy, or I'll just combine ecstasy with LSD or mushrooms.

I have the feeling I'd have the best luck with mushrooms, but that would probably make me really, really sick because even having juice in my stomach right now gives me a bellyache because of the water fast.

So my next thought would be LSD, ecstasy or 2ci. But I have never tried 2ci before and I hear the body load is intense, so I might pass on that.

I just want to trip but I don't want to stop fasting yet. LSD would probably be my best bet if I don't want to pass out or anything, I hope. Either that or a mushroom tea.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
    #7581277 - 10/31/07 03:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well in my opinion, if your gonna do it, take the LSD, and load up on vitamin pills and supplements and shit just before.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
    #7581281 - 10/31/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know man, I have blacked out during a trip (well, I was going to black out but controlled it so I stayed conscious) but it was on the tail-end of it, after not eating much that day and smoking good cheeba. 

If you fast beforehand and trip, just be careful how much physical exertion you put yourself through.  It might be considered to take some multivitamins if you've got laying around, and some Ginseng might be a great idea as well.  Unless you're totally hardcore and don't want to take anything else besides your chosen hallucinogen, then I'd suggest some sort of support for your body.

This is just from some experience and logical reasoning, so don't take my word as law :tongue:


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: blacksun]
    #7581348 - 10/31/07 03:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Well in my opinion, if your gonna do it, take the LSD, and load up on vitamin pills and supplements and shit just before.




LSD has always suppressed my appetite and helped me see how beneficial it is to fast, so I feel safest taking that while on a fast.  Plus it stays on your tongue instead of going into your stomach.  It may be a few weeks before I get some though.  I may have mushrooms before then.  :shrug: 

I just wondered if anyone else around here has tripped while on a water fast of up to 10-20 days?  Don't shamans fast before they trip?


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
    #7592558 - 11/03/07 09:04 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Dude are you being safe with all this fasting?
I thought a fast was something you were supposed to do every once in a while to cleanse your system.
It seems by your posts that your constantly fasting, or starving yourself.
I'm just worried about you. How much weight have you lost since you started all this?


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: Dreamer987]
    #7592657 - 11/03/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

this sounds like a horrible idea to me


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
    #7592693 - 11/03/07 09:42 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think you'll be ok. You seem to be really experienced with fasting, and going without water for over 10 days is something that i wish i could accomplish.

I wouldn't take ecstacy though, because it could potentially dehydrate you to a dangerous level. LSD is your best bet i think. Easy to take, no stomach-usage, and helps you fast.

If you are iffy, start with a low dose. You are fasting for 10 days, so you can do it twice during the fast if you want to.

And when you say you are water fasting, do you mean that you are drinking other drinks than water, or you are completely depriving yourself of drinks, and just eating hydrated foods? 10 days is an extremely long time to deny yourself drink.

Elaborate on how you are fasting.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7593039 - 11/03/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Honestly, I dub this idea to be officially known as one of the most illogical of all ideas in the universe. Taking psychedelics, especially MDMA, without hydration is comparable to; running a marathon and not drinking a single drop of water; before, during, or after.

Being wise is anodyne...


PS. I'm not doubting your experience with Psychedelic usage, nor fasting. However, I'm more concerned with your health here. I'd say if you want to "trip" real bad, then at least pick up a couple Vitamin Waters for the trip brotha. It won't ruin your fast, and it will replenish your mind, body, and soul.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #7593077 - 11/03/07 11:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No no,, a 'water fast' is not abstaining from water, it means only drinking water and not ingesting anything else. I consider it a true fast (unlike juice fasting) because your body really shuts down from depending on outside sources for nutrition after about 3 days, and then you begin to get rid of years of built up toxins in your body after a while. (eg. evidence., pee goes from almost clear to dark brown after about 7 days for me) Most people actually have plenty of ability to survive w/out food for up to 40 days, before your body starts to experience true hunger and goes into starvation mode.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
    #7593082 - 11/03/07 11:32 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hi MOTH,
I searched the forums and found this thread. I know its been a long time since you posted this, but I'm wondering what came of it. I'm in the middle of two week water fast (4th day now) and had the same thoughts as you it seems.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: treeyei]
    #7593087 - 11/03/07 11:33 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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No no,, a 'water fast' is not abstaining from water, it means only drinking water and not ingesting anything else. I consider it a true fast (unlike juice fasting) because your body really shuts down from depending on outside sources for nutrition after about 3 days, and then you begin to get rid of years of built up toxins in your body after a while. (eg. evidence., pee goes from almost clear to dark brown after about 7 days for me) Most people actually have plenty of ability to survive w/out food for up to 40 days, before your body starts to experience true hunger and goes into starvation mode.




This makes me feel much better about the whole idea definitely, then, my apologies to the original poster.

However, I still believe in nutrition. I'd recommend drinking some sort of Vitamin Water on this trip (Except if it's made by SoBe, that's the Egyptian God of the Underworld aka. Hell)

:sun:

PS. I might have to just try this.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: BiG_StroOnZ]
    #7593940 - 11/04/07 09:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Nevermind, I also thought you were not drinking water. I'm skinny and have an abnormally fast metabolism so if I don't eat I will pass out and feel very sick, this has happened to me on a coke binge.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
    #7593959 - 11/04/07 09:59 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

so, you only drink water for 10-20 days? How is it that it gets rid of roxins in your body? I would like to try it for 2 days and then work my way up possibly. Sounds hard. Especially since I'm in love with food and such culinary things.

I dunno. This just doesn't sound like a healthy thing, as much as a mentally healthy thing. Can anyone explain to me the benefits of water fasting?

PS, I feel stupid for not figuring out "water fasting" before. I've heard of it before, and knew what it was, but my mind just went blank there.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: Drewwyann]
    #7593996 - 11/04/07 10:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I think you'll be ok. You seem to be really experienced with fasting, and going without water for over 10 days is something that i wish i could accomplish.

I wouldn't take ecstacy though, because it could potentially dehydrate you to a dangerous level. LSD is your best bet i think. Easy to take, no stomach-usage, and helps you fast.

If you are iffy, start with a low dose. You are fasting for 10 days, so you can do it twice during the fast if you want to.

And when you say you are water fasting, do you mean that you are drinking other drinks than water, or you are completely depriving yourself of drinks, and just eating hydrated foods? 10 days is an extremely long time to deny yourself drink.

Elaborate on how you are fasting.





I fast on juice and water, or I fast only on water.  Which means I drink only water.  The water fast is a true fast, where my body only uses its own stores plus the water that I give it.  Starvation is when your body runs out of stores and is reduced to the viscera.  I still have lots of stores left so nobody needs to worry.  I have done my research and spoken to people who have fasted for much longer periods of time then ten days.  The body is an amazing thing and with each fast I feel refreshed and learn more about myself. 

I rolled on E this weekend and I decided to break my fast with juices and light foods for three days before taking it.  Even then the effects of the E have been magnified, and are ongoing, even though I ingested so long ago.  When everyone else crashed, I could feel my energy still going, and it still is, mid-afternoon the morning after.  The afterglow has been extended and I am still hearing the music in my head. 

It was a fun time.  I'm glad I waited a few days after fasting before I took it though.  I did not want to overstrain myself.  Towards the end of water fasting your sensitivity level is incredible.  I will eventually experiment with LSD and mushrooms during a water fast (probably not more then five days in, though) and will report back to this thread. 

Note: Everyone's bodies are different.  Fasting feels natural for me and has opened me up to many new avenues of understanding and experience.  I will not debate my preferences with diet in this thread, thank you.  :heart:  Nor do I recommend anyone should fast.  Fasting is a personal decision with spirit.  Do what you feel.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: treeyei]
    #7594013 - 11/04/07 10:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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No no,, a 'water fast' is not abstaining from water, it means only drinking water and not ingesting anything else. I consider it a true fast (unlike juice fasting) because your body really shuts down from depending on outside sources for nutrition after about 3 days, and then you begin to get rid of years of built up toxins in your body after a while. (eg. evidence., pee goes from almost clear to dark brown after about 7 days for me) Most people actually have plenty of ability to survive w/out food for up to 40 days, before your body starts to experience true hunger and goes into starvation mode.





Exactly! It's all about cleansing. The water fast was the most difficult thing I've ever done. I chose to suffer towards the end of it, but I believe I can do it easier next time, with less suffering. Each fast goes easier. The more I stay connected to my spirit, the easier it goes. Meditation and yoga seem vital to a successful water fast. I love the mindfulness that seems to go with it.

And you don't know how much you appreciate food post-fast. It's amazing. You realize just how powerful it is. Everything you eat becomes you in some way. When you fast, you're turning over the soil.


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
    #7595305 - 11/04/07 04:48 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Update...I am experiencing a very, very harsh E comedown. Body not feel well. Oh well. It's a lesson I had to learn. I imagine now in retrospect that only mushrooms would be something I would do at the end of fasting or during a fast. A gentle landing is crucial...


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: MOTH]
    #7595411 - 11/04/07 05:12 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

lol man it sounds like youre gonna die. go eat some food and drink some water broku. otherwise youll prolly dose and realize youre starving to death and freak out


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Re: Tripping while on a long water fast [Re: BudSmoker420]
    #7595422 - 11/04/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm fine. Just achy.


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