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Offlinebloodbrother778
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casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics)
    #7580395 - 10/31/07 11:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)





by contrast here are 2 of my cakes that had been dunked and rolled





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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7580437 - 10/31/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

don't get greedy. maybe your next flush will be even better.


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: Groomies]
    #7580788 - 10/31/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

looks like (and im no expert) the myc never realy colinized the casing layer. is that 50/50 or verm?


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: Slimz]
    #7581001 - 10/31/07 02:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Nice pinset on those cakes. I wish I had that many pins :tongue:


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: dovab]
    #7581073 - 10/31/07 02:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Damn good looking cakes. How deep is the casing layer? :rockon:


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: MarlboroMan]
    #7581150 - 10/31/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

wish i could get cakes to pin like that, think its time for me to start cloning.


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7581263 - 10/31/07 03:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Have you ever checked out Hyphae's Pinning Strategy? That should help you get more out of your casings. That one you have is capable of much more.


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: Mankey]
    #7581447 - 10/31/07 04:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The casing layer is about 2 inches with the crumbled cake being about 1/2 inch
its 50/50.
I was told to start fruiting as soon as mycelium started appearing on top of the casing so that's what I did,
I guess I should've covered the mycelium with casing until it all came up to the top


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7581691 - 10/31/07 05:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

theres you problem right there! youve got your casing and your bubstrate depth backwards!

its crazy you got pins too come up thru 2 inches of casing with only 1/2" of cake!


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: just me]
    #7581757 - 10/31/07 05:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

OOOOOOPS!!!!

Haha I did get it backwards lol, for some reason when I was reading the guide I assumed it other way haha, o well lesson learned!!!


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7581926 - 10/31/07 06:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

LoL. In that case thats a good flush.hehe.Happy Halloween


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: nw_shroomy]
    #7582068 - 10/31/07 07:17 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol you got it backwards!
always good to have room for improvement


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: moon_glue]
    #7583018 - 11/01/07 06:14 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yes have read it many times, it starts of with cakes then goes into casing. So only part of that guide is relevent to my grow.

It suggests a 24 hour fridge dunk, which is not benificial to cubunsis (tropical/subtropical species). All fridge dunking does is slow things down.


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7583021 - 11/01/07 06:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Btw, did you just case cakes straight, without adding substrate?

That isn't worth doing. Dunked and rolled cakes will produce as much as cased cakes.

Quoting myself from another post (can't be bothered to retype, lol)

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Quite a few people have compared the differences in fruiting between dunking and rolling the cakes in moist verm versus crumbling the cakes and casing them, and have found that there is very little if any extra yeild. By crumbling the cakes you:

a) risk more contams
b) take longer to get fruits because the mycelium has to repair the damage made by crumbling (if you dunk and roll your cakes, they can start fruiting immediately)
c) your mycelium wastes nutrients it could use to fruit because it has to use them to repair that damage.

On the other hand, crumbling to poo, enriched coir or another bulk substrate adds loads of new nutrients, and once the mycelium has colonized all that substrate is can make lots more fruits.





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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: Nibin]
    #7583054 - 11/01/07 06:46 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

well the peat moss I used was miracle gro and enriched with standard miracle gro nutrients, but besides that i didn't add anything


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: bloodbrother778]
    #7583092 - 11/01/07 07:08 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Nutrients in Miracle grow are for plants, so won't really do anything for shrooms.

next time, unless you are spawning your cakes to bulk (poo, enriched coir, whatever) don't bother casing, just dunk and roll.

If your genetics are good you can get really good flushes from rolled cakes.


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: Nibin]
    #7583116 - 11/01/07 07:31 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Cased cakes just produce 1 or 2 bigger flushes compared to lots of smaller flushes from a dunk n roll cake, yeilds are roughly the same.

The only advantage i see to casing a cake with a good casing layer is the microclimate it creates for the mycelium. Which rolling your cakes in verm does a not to bad job.

But its all great fun trying different methods for yourself.


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: veda_sticks]
    #7583286 - 11/01/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ok i dont wanna get it backwards too...

spawning should look like this

verm
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crumble cake
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sunstrate
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right?


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: Slimz]
    #7583337 - 11/01/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

No.

Casing mix (verm or other ) = ::::

Spawn (cake, grain whatever) = +++

Bulk (poo, straw) = ####

Should look like this:

::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
#####+##+######+####+#####+####+###
+#+####+++#####+###+++####+####+##
+++####+#####+###+######++###+#++#


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Re: casing not quite doing as well as I hoped (pics) [Re: Nibin]
    #7583362 - 11/01/07 09:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Oh.. gotcha .. that clears that one up too .. thnx

im just gonna start PMing you my questions :smile:


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