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Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble)
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ok i read like a million different posts where people ask about caseing cakes and the advice given is different..

some say cut once down center and lay cut side down and case

some say crumble cakes in plastic bag, let suit for a day (to recover) and then case

some say "use a fork" (im assuming to crumble)

some say cut in to disks 3/4 inch thick and case

Could roger or someone that knows whats up give me a final answer.

i was THINKING about the disks and just doing a moist verm/disk/moist verm casing in a black plastic lasagna tray..


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Slimz]
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Best way is to cut them into very small chunks the reason for that is it makes allot of inoculation spots in the substrate for faster colonization.I cut em up with a knife nothing else.


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: xaxphaanes]
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define "small chunks"? 1 inch square?


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Slimz]
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marble sized or smaller for me:thumbup:


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: rodfarva]
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ok i read a few more texs with pics and i get it now...


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Slimz]
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right..

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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Caribou_Lou]
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I've seen alot of posts from people that crumbles them, because the mycelium has more inoculation spots then.

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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: dovab]
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If you are just going to case the cakes, don't bother. You'll get the same yeilds by dunking and rolling without the added risk of contamination.

On the other hand, if you are going to spawn the cakes to something else first, I say crumble, under the theory that crumbled up bits will mix better with the spawn and have more inoculation spots as you call them (can't remember the proper name for them, lol)


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Nibin]
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so if im gonna crumble to Hpoo or even 50/50 with a verm top then crumble... but if im gonna do a verm bottom verm top then instead i should fruit em from the cakes?


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Slimz]
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bump (unanswered question)


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Slimz]
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thats because your last question doesnt make sense. you would not "crumble" to hpoo you would spawn to it. and 50/50 is a casing layer (typicaly) i guess 50/50 could be 50% hpoo 50% coir or something along those lines but you should be specific if your talking spawn.

and like was said before if you just plan on casing your crumbled/sliced cakes dont bother just dunk and roll your cakes instead.

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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Slimz]
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If you are going to crumble to hpoo, you are adding a nutritious substrate, and that is called spawning (the cakes are your spawn) to bulk substrate.

Casing is adding a non nutritious layer (be it 50/50 verm-peat or just verm). The casing doesn't add food to the mycelium just gives it humidity which helps it to fruit.

Quite a few people have compared the differences in fruiting between dunking and rolling the cakes in moist verm versus crumbling the cakes and casing them and hava found that there is very little if any extre yeild, and that by crumbling the cakes you:

a) risk more contams
b) take longer to get fruits because the mycelium has to repair the damage made by crumbling (if you dunk and roll your cakes, they can start fruiting immediately)
c) your mycelium wastes nutrients it could use to fruit because it has to use them to repair that damage.

On the other hand, crumbling to poo, enriched coir or another bulk substrate adds loads of new nutrients, and once the mycelium has colonized all that substrate it can make lots more fruits.

So, in conclusion, if you want the fruits as soon as possible, just dunk and roll and put the cakes in the fruiting chamber. If on the other hand you want a bigger yeild and feel confident that you can make bulk substrate without introducing contams, you could crumble the cakes to bulk, then case the bulk substrate and fruit.

Ps: If you are going to case, do not case at the bottom. I did that a couple of times and was told on here not to do it, I think it was because the lower layer of casing ends up taking water out of the substrate in the long run.


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Edited by Nibin (11/01/07 06:21 AM)

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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Nibin]
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Awesome answer.. thanks... i guess ill just dunk and roll wich is great because i have very fine verm that will roll well.

+5 for you...


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Nibin]
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Excellent post Nibin!~

:thumbup: :thumbup:



tc


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Roadkill]
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ok i know i could UTFSE on this question but im asking anyway

other than hpoo what are other substrates i could spawn too?

Can i spawn to verm/rye flour (thats what i made the cakes with)

slightly off topic..
I have some mulch out back that has gotten very fine and rotten, its almost dirt (but not yet) that good for anything (sterilized of course)? (thats where i dumped the contamed cakes and the myc is still growing ou there)


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:pm: me if you have questions about lasers

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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Slimz]
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Quote:
other than hpoo what are other substrates i could spawn too?




high quality compost
cow manure and straw
coco coir
worm casting
straw

manure from other types of animals that are suitable...
I'm not going to list them all.

and probably something else that I haven't mentioned...
I'm still waking up and I'm drinking my first cup of coffee.
:lol:


:goodmorning:


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Slimz]
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Off the top of my head, Compost, Coir enriched with spent coffee grounds and straw seem to be the most popular. A visit to the bulk substrate area of the main site would help

http://www.shroomery.org/22/Bulk-Substrates

Don't know about the verm and flour, but I wouldn't use it. Most bulk substrates are 100% usable by the mycelium, as the amount of stuff you use is so big that it can hold so much water you don't need to add non nutritious verm to the mix to supply water. But then I have read a couple of posts where people add a little verm to their poo for some extra water retention...


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Re: Caseing Cakes (cut or crumble) [Re: Nibin]
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k thnx


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