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Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma
    #7579790 - 10/31/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So I was down in DC this past weekend and happened to run into a well-connected media person, who told me flatly, unequivocally that “everyone knows” The LA Times was sitting on a story, all wrapped up and ready to go about what is a potentially devastating sexual scandal involving a leading Presidential candidate. “Everyone knows” meaning everyone in the DC mainstream media political reporting world. “Sitting on it” because the paper couldn’t decide the complex ethics of whether and when to run it. The way I heard it they’d had it for a while but don’t know what to do. The person who told me )not an LAT person) knows I write and didn’t say “don’t write about this”.

If it’s true, I don’t envy the LAT. I respect their hesitation, their dilemma, deciding to run or not to run it raises a lot of difficult journalism ethics questions and they’re likely to be attacked, when it comes out—the story or their suppression of the story—whatever they do.


I’ve been sensing hints that something’s going on, something’s going unspoken in certain insider coverage of the campaign (and by the way this rumor the LA Times is supposedly sitting on is one I never heard in this specific form before. By the way, t’s not the Edwards rumor, it’s something else.

And when my source said “everyone in Washington”, knows about it he means everyone in the elite Mainstream media, not just the LA Times, but everyone regularly writing about the Presdidential campaign knows about it and doesn’t know what to do with it. And I must admit it really is was juicy if true. But I don’t know if it’s true and I can’t decide if I think it’s relevant. But the fact that “everyone” in the elite media knew about it and was keeping silent about it, is, itself, news. But you can’t report the “news” without reporting the thing itself. Troubling!

It raises all sorts of ethical questions. What about private sexual behavior is relevant? What about a marriage belongs in the coverage of a presidential campaign? Does it go to the judgment of the candidate in question? Didn’t we all have a national nervous breakdown over these questions nearly a decade ago?

Now, as I say it’s a rumor; I haven’t seen the supporting evidence. But the person who told me said it offhandedly as if everyone in his world knew about it. And if you look close enough you can find hints of something impending, something potentially derailing to this candidate in the reporting of the campaign. Which could mean that something unspoken, unwritten about is influencing what is written, what we read.

Why are well wired media elite keeping silent about it? Because they think we can’t handle the truth? Because they think it’s substantively irrelevant? What standards of judgment are they using? Are they afraid that to print it will bring on opprobrium. Are they afraid not printing it will bring on opprobrium? Or both?

But alas if it leaks out from less “responsible” sources. then all their contextual protectiveness of us will have been wasted.

And what about timing? They, meaning the DC elite media, must know if it comes out before the parties select their primary winners and eventual nominees, voters would have the ability to decide how important they felt it to the narrative of the candidate in question. Aren’t they, in delaying and not letting the pieces fall where they potentially may, not refusing to act but acting in a different way—taking it upon themselves to decide the Presidential election by their silence?

If they waited until the nominees were chosen wouldn’t that be unfair because, arguably, it could sink the candidacy of one of the potential nominees after the nomination was finalized? And doesn’t the fact that they “all” know something’s there but can’t say affect their campaign coverage in a subterranean, subconscious way that their readers are excluded from?

I just don’t know the answer. I’m glad in a situation like this, if there is in fact truth to it, that I wouldn’t have to be the “decider”. I wouldn’t want to be in a position of having to make that choice. But it’s a choice that may well decide a crucial turning point in history. Or maybe not: Maybe voters will decide they don’t think it’s important, however juicy. But should it be their choice or the choice of the media elites? It illustrates the fact that there are still two cultures at war within our political culture, insiders and outsiders. As a relative outsider I have to admit I was shocked not just by this but by several other things “everyone” down there knows.

There seem to be two conflicting imperatives here. The new media, Web 2.0 anti-elitist preference for transparency and immediacy and the traditional elitist preference for reflection, judgment and standards—their reflection, their small-group judgment and standards. Their civic duty to “protect” us from knowing too much.

I feel a little uneasy reporting this. No matter how well “nailed” they think they have it, it may turn out to be untrue. What I’m really reporting on is the unreported persistence of a schism between the DC media elites and their inside knowlede and the public that is kept in the dark. For their own good? Maybe they’d dismiss it as irrelevant, but shouldn’t they know?

I don’t know.


http://pajamasmedia.com/xpress/ronrosenbaum/2007/10/29/shocking_inside_dc_scandal_rum.php

SHOCKING
"devastating sexual scandal involving a leading Presidential candidate"

Ethical Dilemma...........


Its a Democrat.

If it were a Republican, the networks would be running with 24/7 coverage. There ARE no “Ethical Dilemmas” if it’s a Republican.


I predict its the great Black Hope Barack Obama! He cheated on his wife with a Homosexual MAN! Breaking news Obama sucks dick!


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7579835 - 10/31/07 08:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Down in my neck of the woods eh? Did you moon the white house?


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: BrAiN]
    #7579840 - 10/31/07 08:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Oh wait that wasn't you.. oops... my bad!


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: BrAiN]
    #7579949 - 10/31/07 09:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Larry Flynt, editor and publisher of Hustler magazine, just told FOX Business Network’s Neil Cavuto that he’s “hoping to expose a bombshell” that will stand “Washington and the country on its head.” Within the next week or two, he says his magazine will expose a sex scandal of huge proportions involving a prominent United States Senator. Flynt refused to comment on the Senator’s political affiliation, but alluded that he or she is a Republican.
http://rawstory.com/comments/39772.html


fuck not another republican......


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7580003 - 10/31/07 10:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm probably mccain's head photoshopped on an asian hooker's pic


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: BrAiN]
    #7580005 - 10/31/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

or

Hillary was caught in the same airport restroom as Larry Craig.

She was wearing a huge strap-on.
http://www.jibjab.com/originals/good_to_be_in_dc


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America's debt problem is a "sign of leadership failure"

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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7580034 - 10/31/07 10:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Let us pray that it was all three of the leading Republican candidates together, wiping them out of the field. :hehehe:


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7580045 - 10/31/07 10:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

the media hates all three of those guys. I just cant believe they would sit on it.

It has to be Obama.

The MSM will use it if he ever starts to attack Hillary.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7580053 - 10/31/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

everyone knows that capitol hill is just one big incestuous gang-bang after hours.

they play house music, eat ecstasy, and form huge conga lines that degenerate into cuddle puddles which in turn devolve into massive orgies.

then the next day Hillary Clinton is all pissed because John McCain gave her herpes.

true story


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7580062 - 10/31/07 10:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What would be the correct label for this, vaporscandal?

When has the media worried about ethics in the past? They either have nothing, or are trying to drum up curiosity in order to sell more copies when the story finally breaks. If ethics is really involved, I would suspect that it involves the spouse of a candidate rather than a candidate directly. Maybe Bill got caught sleeping with Sharpton or something... wouldn't that be fun.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: Seuss]
    #7580103 - 10/31/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

right

Media Ethics Dilemma....what a fucking joke. When it comes to smearing Republicans, Mainstream Journalists have the ethics of hyenas, squabbling over dead meat...

IMO the MSM is going to let the internet break the story so they don't seem like the bad guy.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7580327 - 10/31/07 11:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Giluani's blood in a goblet. :evil:


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7580382 - 10/31/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Don't worry about Rudy. He will not win the Republican nomination. he is anti-gun; pro-gay marriage; pro-abortion; and pro-illegal immigration......Now if he was running as a democrat.....


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7580425 - 10/31/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Why does he have such a lead in the polls, then? I don't see anyone else they are going to nominate, unfortunately, and there that fascist is... :shrug:


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7580434 - 10/31/07 11:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I better post a link for Zappa on the immigration issue.:grin:

Rudy Giuliani has demanded that the federal government provide Social Security, Medicaid, food stamps, and welfare to illegal immigrants.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/rwg/html/98a/lulac.html


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7580485 - 10/31/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Rudy does not have a BIG lead like Clinton (that race is over) All the republican candidates SUCK (except RP) thats why Rudy has a small temporary lead. the jesus folks (at least a third of Reps) will never vote for Rudy.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7580549 - 10/31/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If all of this is accurate, it makes me wonder what else gets sat on, and for what reason?

I can only assume that the LAT and all print journals are motivated by increasing readership, so it seems weird that they wouldn't print such a hot story. Could the candidate in question have enough power to keep this covered up?


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7580703 - 10/31/07 01:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think Rudy'll take the whole cake in 2008. As long as he's all for the war and keeps using the phrase "9/11" about 6.5 times per minute... that's all his base cares about.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: BrAiN]
    #7580729 - 10/31/07 01:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I dont think that is true.

If you ask the Religious Conservatives what their #1 issue is, I think nearly all of them will tell you abortion. Yes, a large percentage of the Republican party is obsessed with 9/11 and the idea that every Muslim on Earth wants to eat their children and these people will likely vote for Guliani.

But for the Jesus-Freak wing of the party, abortion is an "American Holocaust" and has to be stopped immediately at all costs. These people WILL not vote for Rudy, which would be a huge boon to the Democrats.

My best-case scenario as a rabid Democrat is that Rudy wins the nomination after Romney has spent the last two months reminding every Republican voter on the planet that "Rudy Loves Abortions", and that a large percentage of the Jesus-Freak Wing splinter off to run some ultimately futile third-party campaign with a candidate like Huckabee.

Something like that should nicely off-set the decent percentage of young Democratic voters that I expect to vote for an eventual Ron Paul third-party ticket.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: Madtowntripper]
    #7580753 - 10/31/07 01:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

honestly, I think it would be really cool to see an American election where there were 4 or 5 major candidates and the winner got only 27% of the votes. The end of bipartisan politics would be cool to see in America. Have elections be more like ordering off a menu than just making a binary choice.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: wps]
    #7580785 - 10/31/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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honestly, I think it would be really cool to see an American election where there were 4 or 5 major candidates and the winner got only 27% of the votes.




You mean like a normal country? heh


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: BrAiN]
    #7581044 - 10/31/07 02:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think a run off election would be best, whereby voters choose a first an second choice candidate. If no one recieves majority, the second choice votes are factored in to help choose the winner.

Some variation of this would help people vote their concious, but would surely be insanely difficult to implement until there are serious threats to the two parties.

Perhaps w/ the abortion issue and candidates like ron paul, these pressures might someday reach a critical mass.... who knows


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: johnm214]
    #7581293 - 10/31/07 03:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

honestly, I think if having four candidates instead of two were the norm,

the candidates would naturally align themselves into some kind of left to right spectrum,

so even if the majority of people wouldn't see the person they voted for elected,

they still might get 'within range' of their target candiate on the right-left scale.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7581352 - 10/31/07 03:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I better post a link for Zappa on the immigration issue.:grin:

Rudy Giuliani has demanded that the federal government provide Social Security, Medicaid, food stamps, and welfare to illegal immigrants.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/rwg/html/98a/lulac.html




At every instance he was quite clearly, pointedly and specifically referring to LEGAL immigrants.  Read it.  I expected better of you than my little leftard friends here.  What's wrong with this?

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But to make further progress, we must reform the process at the federal level. Immigrants deserve a naturalization process that is fair, efficient and affordable, but also ensures that criminals cannot slip through the system.

Unfortunately, the dream of citizenship is becoming a nightmare for many legal immigrants. The INS is taking steps to raise its naturalization fees from $95 to $255. This is especially troublesome because it comes at a time when 1.7 million immigrants are waiting up to four years to naturalize.

In New York City, the number of people caught in the backlog has increased to almost 300,000 and the average wait is 24 months. This is simply unfair to the vast majority of law-abiding immigrants who have paid their fee, played by the rules, and now find themselves caught in a bureaucratic mess that places citizenship beyond their reach for years.




That's from your link.  I like him even more now because he said that when it wasn't a hot button for chickenshits issue.  He was on it from the beginning.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: zappaisgod]
    #7581411 - 10/31/07 03:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

To get back on topic, if they have something they should release it and not wait until that person is the nominee and the party he/she is from can't replace him. That was the game with the asshole in Florida, I forget his name, but the group knew he was a perv and waited until after the Republicans couldn't replace him on the ballot. Dirty trick? Not by a political party but it is certainly wrong for a journalist. If they have the goods they have to report them.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7582179 - 10/31/07 07:52 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:blah:


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: afoaf]
    #7583221 - 11/01/07 08:50 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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afoaf said:
:blah:




come on doncha love gossip??? the latest true?/untrue? rumor is
not shocking. 

both Bill and Hillary were fucking interns in the White House at the same time.....




Huma Abedin, Muslim 32, became Hillary’s intern in 1996, a year after Monica Lewinsky started working for Bill.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7583234 - 11/01/07 08:57 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Hillary?

Ew! Who' do HER?


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: BrAiN]
    #7583299 - 11/01/07 09:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: gluke bastid]
    #7583338 - 11/01/07 09:38 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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If all of this is accurate, it makes me wonder what else gets sat on, and for what reason?

I can only assume that the LAT and all print journals are motivated by increasing readership, so it seems weird that they wouldn't print such a hot story. Could the candidate in question have enough power to keep this covered up?





IMO the MSM protects the Dem's and fucks the Rep's whenever possible..
(although technically the Rep's fucked themselves.)

Do you Remember the DWI charge against Bush and the charges of “groping” by Arnold just before the elections.......


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: BrAiN]
    #7583372 - 11/01/07 09:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Hillary?

Ew! Who' do HER?





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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7586746 - 11/02/07 07:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: Scratcher]
    #7586790 - 11/02/07 07:47 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:rofl2:

Bring her down! :evil:


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7587957 - 11/02/07 01:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

http://exurbanleague.com/2007/11/02/you-might-want-to-put-some-ice-on-that.aspx

John Edwards just released this video "politics of parsing” man we are so fucked if she becomes potus


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7590206 - 11/03/07 05:19 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

aaahh you beat me to it.




honestly, who here did not have a pretty good idea that hillary was a lesbian. seriously now. this would not shock me one bit, and the LAT would be sitting on it because hillary's a media darling.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7590293 - 11/03/07 06:45 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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IMO the MSM protects the Dem's and fucks the Rep's whenever possible..
(although technically the Rep's fucked themselves.)





No one remembers the media hay-day over Bill Clinton? :strokebeard:


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7590395 - 11/03/07 08:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

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IMO the MSM protects the Dem's and fucks the Rep's whenever possible..
(although technically the Rep's fucked themselves.)





No one remembers the media hay-day over Bill Clinton? :strokebeard:





Newsweek’s Michael Isikoff was probably the first reporter to get the scoop on Clinton’s affair with Monica Lewinsky, but his editors wouldn’t print it, even thought he had all the required evidence to support the story.

Then Matt Drudge got a hold of it and offered up two scoops, the Lewinsky affair and the Newsweek coverup..........


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #7590397 - 11/03/07 08:23 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

So when is this thing going to hit already? :mad:


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8048932 - 02/20/08 07:56 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I never bought this whole thread, but it looks like it may have been true after all?

NY Times

Not sure what to make of it yet. The Times is pretending to be gentle. Bloggers aren't.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: Gijith]
    #8048973 - 02/20/08 08:07 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Larry Flynt said he was going to expose a sex scandal regarding a Republican Presidential candidate months ago. This must be it.

I doubt it will hurt him much. The conservatives who would find it offensive are already Huck supporters.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8049201 - 02/20/08 08:55 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

honestly, who cares?

probably the conservative christian voters, and that's about it.

i hope this just dismantles their whole fucked agenda.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: Gijith]
    #8049403 - 02/20/08 09:28 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: afoaf]
    #8049444 - 02/20/08 09:32 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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withheld for maximum impact.




They will sell more papers now then they would have months ago. Drudge is saying that the NYT's has been sitting on it and that McCain has been in a behind the scenes battle trying to keep it from going to print.

The screwed up thing is that the NYTs endorsed McCain, at the time they had this story. They help McCain become the front runner, then they tear him down, so Huck can rise and get creamed by the Dem's.

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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8049543 - 02/20/08 09:47 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

or they endorse him, so he'll be in the spotlight and will sell more newspapers for them when they run smear stories.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: kake]
    #8049824 - 02/20/08 10:45 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

aren't endorsements typically made by the editorial staff, and news decisions made by the newspeople?

Aren't these two sepperate groups?

Is it not convievable that they weren't in cahoots?


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8050021 - 02/20/08 11:33 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

you know bush hasn't cheated on his wife as far as we know so i guess fidelity isn't all it is cracked up to be. it isn't like if we elect this person they will spend a weekend in Fiji running their government or something hilarious.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #8050470 - 02/21/08 03:27 AM (15 years, 11 months ago)

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They help McCain become the front runner, then they tear him down, so Huck can rise and get creamed by the Dem's.





McCain needs 364 delegates to get the necessary 1,191 to receive the Republican nomination. McCain currently has four times the amount of delegates as Huckabee. Huckabee needs 986 delegates to receive the nomination, and he has 205 right now. There is only 741 delegates left to be awarded. If McCain won zero delegates going forward and Huckabee took them all, Huckabee still wouldn't have enough (numbers from NYTimes election guide), and it'd be a brokered convention...

The idea that this story is going to hurt McCain too signfigantly in the Republican primaries is pretty baseless. Even if it would, it is pretty damned impossible that it will help Huckabee enough to keep McCain from winning 364 more delegates.

The notion that this story was designed to help Huckabee win the Republican nomination is ludicrous nonsense. :nut:

It seems pretty clear its an advance to help Obama on the whole "reforming Washington" front. :thumbup:


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: fireworks_god]
    #8051826 - 02/21/08 01:11 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

I don't think that's the notion here. The notion is that the NY Times wants the Reps to nominate a candidate they think they can take out. Not likely with this weak ass shit, all they've managed to do is beclown themselves yet again.

A few months back there was an editorial in the Times about John Podhoretz being named editor of Commentary, a magazine his father, Norman Podhoretz, founded. John Podhoretz has had his own highly successful career in journalism and yet the NY Times went all "nepotism" on his ass. Which made me laugh out loud because what Pinch Sulzburger has done to this once great paper is the strongest argument for abortion ever made.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8051856 - 02/21/08 01:17 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

i wonder how long the paper has been sitting on this weak ass story....


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: lonestar2004]
    #8051864 - 02/21/08 01:18 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Apparently since December. Or 8 years, depending on how you look at it.


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Re: Shocking Inside DC Scandal Rumor: A Media Ethics Dilemma [Re: zappaisgod]
    #8052242 - 02/21/08 02:59 PM (15 years, 11 months ago)

Here's how it seems to me so far.

The Times began writing the story back in the fall. They researched it like crazy. They interviewed everyone they could pin down. I'm sure they thought they were gonna nail down something concrete. 3 months later, they hadn't. And the story in other news organizations was starting to turn from "the NY Times is about to bury McCain" to "the NY Times can't get its shit together." That second quote is a headline the Times didn't want to start seeing at the top of articles and blogs, so they went to press with the mess they had.

They really fucked up. They should have ditched the whole thing or maybe put it on page 47 or something.


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