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InvisibleClean
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Are the Humanimals capable of
    #7578134 - 10/30/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

transcending the constant want to dominate others?

It seems like a lot of people say this is their goal in life... but every commune has its skeleton closet. (I say this in hope that someone might prove this statement wrong by their experience.)

Personally I'm on the fence about it.
On the one hand it seems possible, on the other, the function of human interaction popularly called "society" has shown otherwise.

Ok so maybe total transcendence is too much.
Can we compromise?
You do your thing, I do mine, as long as we're not interfering with someone else's will to do the same it's all good?
Could we maybe try that for a while?
At least if we did that we could begin to recognize our real enemies..


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Re: Are the Humanimals capable of [Re: Clean]
    #7578164 - 10/30/07 07:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think I know people who have completely transcendended the will to compete, dominate, one-up, have power over others, etc. You can never be sure, but I think there are such individuals.

Whenever I feel the desire to outshine others it's because I have my head up my ass. (Not saying this doesn't happen a lot.)


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Are the Humanimals capable of [Re: Lion]
    #7579287 - 10/31/07 02:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think western culture encourages this behavior. You can see this in our obsession to obtain status symbols, like flashy cars, jewelery and big houses. If you attain these things you are considered a "success". I think in more close nit cultures, particularly tribal societies there could be more of a family feeling, where if you try and separate and put yourself above everyone else, you are considered selfish and not as great a benefit to the tribe as a more supportive down to earth person.


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Re: Are the Humanimals capable of [Re: DimensionX]
    #7579371 - 10/31/07 03:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

with the concept of society comes the concept of exclusion.

to be a part of something means not being a part of something else.


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Re: Are the Humanimals capable of [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #7579424 - 10/31/07 04:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thats a good point. Do you mean that even if you are a non dominant, co operative person in your own society, when dealing with people outside your group you could take on more dominative or at least non co operative characteristics?


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Re: Are the Humanimals capable of [Re: DimensionX]
    #7579444 - 10/31/07 05:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

even communities of artists have the big monkey little monkey problems.
some tribal groups have a larger percentage of shamanic activity which might reduce the need for dominance submission types of interaction.
one thing our tech society is trying to do is to externalize the process, to schedule "politically correct" interaction, and stick to the schedule.

on the one side you have entheogenic insight, and on the other
you have automated intelligent frameworks from which to suspend social interaction.
between those "artifical" situations - big monkey seems to win all the time.


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Re: Are the Humanimals capable of [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7579468 - 10/31/07 05:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think the insight side of the coin could work. The whole idea of "know thy self". Once you are aware of these things you can be vigilant and overcome them and also gain a deeper, more meaningful perspective on what it means to be aware.

But i don't think the automated frame work will work as effectively. Because people start to get ideas like "if i don't make racist comments, I'm not a racist.". But if they still have underlying feelings of prejudice which they don't acknowledge, they will still appear subconsciously and effect the way people interact with each other.


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Re: Are the Humanimals capable of [Re: Clean]
    #7580051 - 10/31/07 10:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Clean said:
transcending the constant want to dominate others?

It seems like a lot of people say this is their goal in life... but every commune has its skeleton closet. (I say this in hope that someone might prove this statement wrong by their experience.)

Personally I'm on the fence about it.
On the one hand it seems possible, on the other, the function of human interaction popularly called "society" has shown otherwise.

Ok so maybe total transcendence is too much.
Can we compromise?
You do your thing, I do mine, as long as we're not interfering with someone else's will to do the same it's all good?
Could we maybe try that for a while?
At least if we did that we could begin to recognize our real enemies..




There is no way to answer this question definitively. History shows us in it's ups and downs that things basically stay the same for humans on the emotional level. The bulk of humanity is driven unconsciously by reptile brain urges. A few break this mold to some degree or other and the balance between the former and the later seem to remain about the same over time. As Mr. Natural sez: "Twas ever thus"

So who knows what the future holds? But the present is where we live and in your lifetime I don't think you can hold much hope for a major change.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Are the Humanimals capable of [Re: Icelander]
    #7581288 - 10/31/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i doubt it, i mean i bet its possible but i think it would require the person to 'kill' his personality. Since i think that everyone knows that nobody is born equal especially in this modern society. Thus the nature of the human race is to survive and evolve, but since humans have rational thought it means that people are naturally going to take advantage of each other, to survive.
i do believe how ever its possible to have a situation where both parties participate equally in a common goal or a conversation.


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