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What I think god is.
    #7576218 - 10/30/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You are a human, and you think.

What happens during thinking? There is some language usually involved, awareness, mood. But of a great amount there is information of a somewhat sensory nature, audile and visual. We experience patterns, images and fully three dimensional spaces and landscapes within our minds. We have arrived at this point through evolution.

Natural selection has favored the creature with the more advanced capability of mental simulation. Evolution it seems has devoted a great deal of effort in refining organismic consciousness, apparently due to its great potential for reproductive success. Refined mental simulation means better memory and better ability to plan for the future.

So through evolution, nature has devolped a creature with the capability of creating, or projecting, a three dimensional area or landscape within its mind. Nature has developed a creature also with what appears to be an unstoppable drive to advance its capability of making these 3D realms. Evolution will only further refine the abilities of our minds.

So what if this has all happened before? LONG before, before there was even time as we know it, outside the universe, or in another dimension. Maybe sometime long ago, in this place not in this universe, there was some kind of existance kind of like this, with places and things. And maybe individual things, with some kind of consciousness. And maybe there was a system, kind of like our system of natural selection, that refined consciousness to a very deep degree.

Maybe some kind of conscious creature got amazingly good at making three dimensional spaces with its consciousness. Maybe it made spaces with more than three dimensions, maybe it experimented with all different kinds of ways to make these spaces, and maybe it found a way to make a HUGE space with its consciousness, and thus its consciousness would always flow through that space that it created.

Maybe that's the universe. Is it really so far-fetched?


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7576270 - 10/30/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Huxley talks about something similar to this idea in Doors of Perception.

He states how our brain has evolved these filters over time that only let in certain things happening in the world around us that are necessary for survival. When you trip, he stated, these filters became diminished; hence ego loss and pure experience of the moment type of things.

He also believed that some artists and musicians had naturally less filters than other people which allowed them to recognize things that normal people could not.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7576276 - 10/30/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A fractal existance.. nice.. but wrong forum


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7576291 - 10/30/07 11:33 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

This is directly relevant to Psychedelia, if you make the connection.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7576311 - 10/30/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You know, this is a pretty fascinating concept. Like the poster below you said, you should read Doors of Perception; there are similar concepts presented in that book.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7577481 - 10/30/07 04:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that is pretty cool :thumbup:


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7577544 - 10/30/07 04:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah it is far fetched, at least not scientific.

natural selection does not favour anything
we call it natural because the survival of trait bearing plants and creatures is dependent upon the complex interactions of nature.

there is no picking involved - the selection is the result of some creatures dying before reproducing.

the slowly changing niches are filled by those that fit best, and others die off.
many niches (not ours) require little or no intelligence as we know it.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7579944 - 10/31/07 09:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I meant that it appears selective, as species with better adaptations are more successful. A species with the kind of consciousness that we have (allowing some kind of extra-instinctual language) it seems is more likely to continue reproducing and eventually take over the planet.

It makes me wonder if evolution has been intentionally tightening the bundle of nerves we call the organism's brain. It just seems that this advanced consciousness is at the forefront of evolutionary success.

Oh yeah, I've read doors of perception. I'm waiting for a friend to let me borrow his copy to read it again.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7580007 - 10/31/07 10:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So if god imagined us, and we can imagine other worlds, we would be like god light..


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: Slimz]
    #7580099 - 10/31/07 10:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think "god imagined us".


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: opensaysme]
    #7581397 - 10/31/07 03:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

We can speculate all day about things outside of this "universe." Literally anything is possible assuming there was such a thing (which cannot be proved or disproved by any means). A more significant question is-Could there be another system similar to biology, or could biology exist in other parts of the universe that would allow a similar type of evolutionary-type process to occur?

The filters you speak of aren't so much filters. It's the lack of filters that are important, and are "created," not filters themselves. We create machines to detect what the human brain filters, but it has provided no evidence of anything outside this universe.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: impeachme2]
    #7581431 - 10/31/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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And maybe there was a system, kind of like our system of natural selection, that refined consciousness to a very deep degree.





natural selection dosent always favor the smart, or well developed thinkers unfortunatly. The least educated areas of the world are all experiencing population exposions. I worry that we have surpassed the point of developing and have seeded a downward spiral of comfort and ease before bettering the speices.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: rodfarva]
    #7583081 - 11/01/07 07:04 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Maybe our downward spiral of comfort and ease is FURTHER refining consciousness. Now that we are more comfortable and things are easier, we (or at least some of us) are inclined to think more, and to base our thoughts on things further away from the physical world. We have a gigantic communications revolution on our hands whose ramifactions have yet to fully play out.

Yeah, less educated areas may experience population booms, but it was our initial human intelligence that allowed our species to reach this point in population altogether.

What I meant by another system that refines consciousness is another system that exists (or existed) outside of our time and universe. Maybe in a dimension with no planets or stars or light, but something completely different, but still with the inclination to inch toward a state of complex consciousness.

I realize this is all speculation, but it rings true to me. I notice how well I imagine things. I also notice our species' apparently subconscious obsession with creating little worlds. So I wonder if something at some point got amazingly good at creating little worlds inside its head, and that it created reality as we know it.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: ReoSpeedwagon153]
    #7583102 - 11/01/07 07:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I think that is a cool idea. It could be thought that our ability to make mental images is related to our ability to design things. Like if i wanted to make something random, like a chair, i would first imagine it in my mind, id imagine how all the parts will fit together and how i plan to make them. then i would go ahead and make it. Same thing goes for lots of other things we do. First imagine in your mind what you want to accomplish, then try and do it.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: impeachme2]
    #7583175 - 11/01/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

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We can speculate all day about things outside of this "universe." Literally anything is possible assuming there was such a thing (which cannot be proved or disproved by any means). A more significant question is-Could there be another system similar to biology, or could biology exist in other parts of the universe that would allow a similar type of evolutionary-type process to occur?

The filters you speak of aren't so much filters. It's the lack of filters that are important, and are "created," not filters themselves. We create machines to detect what the human brain filters, but it has provided no evidence of anything outside this universe.




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Re: What I think god is. [Re: blackfir]
    #7583183 - 11/01/07 08:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

yet?... nah... itll never happen.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: Locus]
    #7583200 - 11/01/07 08:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Opinions are opinions.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: blackfir]
    #7583203 - 11/01/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

that is true :thumbup:

and perspective is everything.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: Locus]
    #7586899 - 11/02/07 08:43 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I don't disagree with the possibility of being able to explore beyond what we consider to be this universe. Although unlikely, it is still a possibility.


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Re: What I think god is. [Re: impeachme2]
    #7587023 - 11/02/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Is not an author, whose words are the sole element forging his universe, a god? everything that happens, is on his whim, for his reasons. Everything is the way it is because he wants it as such. He breathes life into characters, gives them a past and a personality, gives substance to the world around them. An author is as much a god as anything in this universe.

And who's to say that somewhere, someplace, that story isn't really happening? Can you really be so sure? Give it some thought, it's kind of interesting.

For all we know, every piece of fiction since the dawn of time has created a universe of its own in some kind of alternate dimension.


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