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elflord420
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The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies
#7576092 - 10/30/07 10:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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that it can be tracked by a machine, and that we can sit and watch it "fly" by tick-tock as though it is something linear, containable, and separate from the organic, flowing process of life. The adherence to the clock for our sense of time and timing is noted as the greatest obstacle to allowing the full telepathic abilities of the human to flower.
there is a 6,000 year cycle in which Earth transits through each of the 12 signs of the zodiac for about 2152 years each. Each of these astrological ages represents one month of the grand, Cosmic Year. Sumerians, Tibetans, Egyptians, Cherokees, Hopi, and Mayans refer to this same 26,000 year cycle in their mystical belief systems and each have developed calendars based on this great cycle.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: elflord420]
#7576101 - 10/30/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Time was the first ever dualism.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: elflord420]
#7576104 - 10/30/07 10:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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what's your point?
using the stars to track time,...using clocks to track time....using radioactive isotope half lives....it's all the same -
different methods to track time.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7576127 - 10/30/07 11:01 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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my point?
Be here now
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: elflord420]
#7576157 - 10/30/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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llive in the nowwwwwwww, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
always a good rule to follow
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7576162 - 10/30/07 11:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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So...who's read Slaughterhouse Five?
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: elflord420]
#7576170 - 10/30/07 11:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Time is real and does exist independently of our bodies.
If it wasn't real...then what do clocks measure?
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7576174 - 10/30/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Hyper_Panda_GO said: So...who's read Slaughterhouse Five?
I was going to mention that.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7576183 - 10/30/07 11:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love that idea
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7576187 - 10/30/07 11:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It makes sense to me.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7576194 - 10/30/07 11:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I THINK IT WAS MORE VONNEGUT'S WAY OF DEALING WITH THE WAY
sorry caps loc
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Hyper_Panda_GO]
#7576207 - 10/30/07 11:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Hyper_Panda_GO said: So...who's read Slaughterhouse Five?
I don't know, but I have a Vonne Gut feeling.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: elflord420]
#7576217 - 10/30/07 11:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If time doesn't really mean anything, then why would I get fired from my job for showing up late?
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: adrug]
#7576279 - 10/30/07 11:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i love you adrug
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: adrug]
#7576314 - 10/30/07 11:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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adrug said: If time doesn't really mean anything, then why would I get fired from my job for showing up late?
Because it means something to your boss
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7576404 - 10/30/07 12:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Time to me is very confusing, we have the time we go by, that we run things by, that humans and business goes by. But does it really exist? Is there something called time that's really moving? Wouldn't that mean that a future and past already exist? Or is everything static but not, in a way where there is no true future and past is instantly gone? Hmmm. I wish I knew better ways of explaining what's on my mind, I'm very stoned.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Maverick]
#7576471 - 10/30/07 12:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I heard that the first clock was invented by a Chinese emperor to schedule sex with all of the women in his harem.
The crops could be regulated by the sun and seasons, he needed a timer of some form to give each of them equal time in the day. That eventually evolved into a clock, giving equal segments to the day.
Time is relitive, just like reality. But even with it being a imperfect scale, our lives very much are dependant upon its regularity. Its chaotic, but in a infentestimaly small scale in our regards. So for all prectical means its accurate for all of us due to our point of referance being generally the same.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: WhiskeyClone]
#7576493 - 10/30/07 12:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Love the new avatar whiskey
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Psy Baba]
#7576536 - 10/30/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7577582 - 10/30/07 04:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
trendal said: Time is real and does exist independently of our bodies.
If it wasn't real...then what do clocks measure?
They measure distance.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#7577698 - 10/30/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about a digital clock?
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7578563 - 10/30/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7578701 - 10/30/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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VisionsToReality said: llive in the nowwwwwwww, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
always a good rule to follow
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7578750 - 10/30/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
trendal said: What about a digital clock?
They both measure frequency.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7578778 - 10/30/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
llive in the nowwwwwwww, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
always a good rule to follow
Actually that's not half bad if you are content at a moment that is perpetually self sustaining.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
#7579560 - 10/31/07 06:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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TripityDooDaDay said: They both measure frequency.
And isn't frequency just another way of measuring time? 
The entire concept of frequency makes no sense whatsoever without time.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7579597 - 10/31/07 07:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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They measure your mom.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#7579689 - 10/31/07 08:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think there's only present, now. The perception of time seems like it would just be an illusion, because we retain information and store it as memory and our ability to reference it later on, as if it happened in the "past" but if we had no way to retain info, the past simply wouldn't exist?
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: c0_hush]
#7579704 - 10/31/07 08:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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it seems to me more that the presence of a sun that goes up and down at regular intervals gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies.
example:
caveman on mushrooms: "Wow, after eating mushrooms, It seemed like only a short time has passed to me, but the sun has already gone down. Hmmm... I guess the flow of time is independent of my perception and thus must be measured objectively."
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7579727 - 10/31/07 08:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
trendal said: If it wasn't real...then what do clocks measure?
Nothing... they're just machines that move at a set interval.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: elflord420]
#7579731 - 10/31/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You say it like it's a bad thing.
I've always thought the human ability to externalize and make physical/tangible our internal concepts is our greatest gift.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: wps]
#7579733 - 10/31/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Think of what you're saying...intervals require time to exist. The fact that the sun does come up and go down at such exact intervals (of time) means "time" of some type exists.
I say of some type because the exact nature of time - is it discrete or continuous, for example - is still up in the air. That time exists, and probably exists as a "dimension*" of this universe, cannot be debated. At least for as long as the universe continues to behave as it does 
* we actually have no idea what the three familiar dimensions are...we know they exist, and know some properties of them, just not what they are.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#7579739 - 10/31/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Siekoaktiv said:
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trendal said: If it wasn't real...then what do clocks measure?
Nothing... they're just machines that move at a set interval.
Once again, think of what you're saying. If clocks are "machines that move at a set interval", then what interval are you speaking of? An interval of time perhaps
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7579744 - 10/31/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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exactly
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7579761 - 10/31/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Something I think it would be good to realize is the difference between our measurements of a thing, and the actual thing itself.
Our measurements are more or less randomly chosen (at least old measurements) by us. They are made up constructs of humans. Thus when I measure out a meter, I am using a piece of stick that someone made marks on.
What I'm measuring is something that is not made by humans. I may use a meter stick to make the measurement, but what I'm actually measuring is "length" (or width, height). It's something that exists independently of humans.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7580699 - 10/31/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder if a photon checks the clock?
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