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trendal
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#7577698 - 10/30/07 05:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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What about a digital clock?
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7578563 - 10/30/07 09:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7578701 - 10/30/07 10:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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VisionsToReality said: llive in the nowwwwwwww, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7578750 - 10/30/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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trendal said: What about a digital clock?
They both measure frequency.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: VisionsToReality]
#7578778 - 10/30/07 10:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
llive in the nowwwwwwww, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
always a good rule to follow
Actually that's not half bad if you are content at a moment that is perpetually self sustaining.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: TripityDooDaDay]
#7579560 - 10/31/07 06:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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TripityDooDaDay said: They both measure frequency.
And isn't frequency just another way of measuring time? 
The entire concept of frequency makes no sense whatsoever without time.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7579597 - 10/31/07 07:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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They measure your mom.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
#7579689 - 10/31/07 08:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think there's only present, now. The perception of time seems like it would just be an illusion, because we retain information and store it as memory and our ability to reference it later on, as if it happened in the "past" but if we had no way to retain info, the past simply wouldn't exist?
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: c0_hush]
#7579704 - 10/31/07 08:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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it seems to me more that the presence of a sun that goes up and down at regular intervals gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies.
example:
caveman on mushrooms: "Wow, after eating mushrooms, It seemed like only a short time has passed to me, but the sun has already gone down. Hmmm... I guess the flow of time is independent of my perception and thus must be measured objectively."
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7579727 - 10/31/07 08:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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trendal said: If it wasn't real...then what do clocks measure?
Nothing... they're just machines that move at a set interval.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: elflord420]
#7579731 - 10/31/07 08:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You say it like it's a bad thing.
I've always thought the human ability to externalize and make physical/tangible our internal concepts is our greatest gift.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: wps]
#7579733 - 10/31/07 08:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Think of what you're saying...intervals require time to exist. The fact that the sun does come up and go down at such exact intervals (of time) means "time" of some type exists.
I say of some type because the exact nature of time - is it discrete or continuous, for example - is still up in the air. That time exists, and probably exists as a "dimension*" of this universe, cannot be debated. At least for as long as the universe continues to behave as it does 
* we actually have no idea what the three familiar dimensions are...we know they exist, and know some properties of them, just not what they are.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: Siekoaktiv]
#7579739 - 10/31/07 08:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote:
Siekoaktiv said:
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trendal said: If it wasn't real...then what do clocks measure?
Nothing... they're just machines that move at a set interval.
Once again, think of what you're saying. If clocks are "machines that move at a set interval", then what interval are you speaking of? An interval of time perhaps
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7579744 - 10/31/07 08:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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exactly
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7579761 - 10/31/07 08:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Something I think it would be good to realize is the difference between our measurements of a thing, and the actual thing itself.
Our measurements are more or less randomly chosen (at least old measurements) by us. They are made up constructs of humans. Thus when I measure out a meter, I am using a piece of stick that someone made marks on.
What I'm measuring is something that is not made by humans. I may use a meter stick to make the measurement, but what I'm actually measuring is "length" (or width, height). It's something that exists independently of humans.
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Re: The presence of the clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies [Re: trendal]
#7580699 - 10/31/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I wonder if a photon checks the clock?
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