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WWorker
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monotub disadvantages?
#7575416 - 10/30/07 04:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems to me that if your sterile procedure are solid, you have the necessary equipment and the capability...then a monotub is the way to go, hands down, no questions asked, period. I mean, no maintenance? Fix it and forget it? What's not to love?
I must be missing something. There must be some drawbacks. I guess the main one is that if it goes down you lose everything....not just one case or cake. Are there others?
What is the failure rate for someone who has his, or her shit together?
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: WWorker]
#7575573 - 10/30/07 06:53 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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this is a good post......i would like ro know also ^buMp^
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: WWorker]
#7575582 - 10/30/07 07:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Dear WWorker,
Great question.
I have done monotubs and various style FCs.
Contamination is a concern. It's a bummer to loose the whole tub.
Also, variety is limited ..... unless you are doing a few tubs. Trays of cased substrates in a FC give you alot of variety .... different stains, different substrates ...etc.,etc.
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: uncle_rico]
#7575794 - 10/30/07 09:22 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cubensis is simple to grow. If you "have your shit together", nearly 100 percent.
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Contamination is a concern. It's a bummer to loose the whole tub.
yeah. ouch.
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WWorker
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Thanks for the replies. I hope to get more.
If that is all there is than I see a monotub in my very near future.
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: WWorker]
#7577482 - 10/30/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have my stuff together. my failure rate is 0%.
monotubs are so simple it hurts. there is one disadvantage to them: the space they take up. they're pretty bulky. and if you work in a per square foot type of setup, there are other options that are more efficient. like substrate bags or greenhouses. other than their size, I see no disadvantage to using them at all.
I pad my success rate by using substrate bags. I fully colonize the substrate in filter patch bags before it goes into the monotub. Meaning I skip the whole spawning phase. Just crumble it and dump it in. done deal.
Back when I was spawning into monotubs, my success rate was about 95% or so. So still pretty good.
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monstermitch said: I have my stuff together. my failure rate is 0%.
monotubs are so simple it hurts. there is one disadvantage to them: the space they take up. they're pretty bulky. and if you work in a per square foot type of setup, there are other options that are more efficient. like substrate bags or greenhouses. other than their size, I see no disadvantage to using them at all.
I pad my success rate by using substrate bags. I fully colonize the substrate in filter patch bags before it goes into the monotub. Meaning I skip the whole spawning phase. Just crumble it and dump it in. done deal.
Back when I was spawning into monotubs, my success rate was about 95% or so. So still pretty good.
I really like your use of a mono-tub. Do you use pre-prepared bags? What kind of substrates do you use? Do you add a casing layer after you dump your bags into the tub? What do you do for fae in your monotub?
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: Fraggin]
#7577523 - 10/30/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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monotubs are great. actually i followed monstermitches monotub tek for my grow. went without a hitch
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: Fraggin]
#7577553 - 10/30/07 04:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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what is the minimum sized tub you could do? Seems that if you kept all ratios the same (smaller tub, proportionally more shallow substrate, proportionally smaller air exchange holes, etc) you could get the whole operation pretty compact.
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: WWorker]
#7577569 - 10/30/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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use at least a 15 inch deep and like 15 long
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WWorker
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legallyhomeless said: monotubs are great. actually i followed monstermitches monotub tek for my grow. went without a hitch
without a hitch!!?!?!?!?! I have never read so many flubs and fuckups and fixes....it was an awesome read! I am so glad it worked for you. You earned it!!
And i feel better about my first mono grow already. No offense
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WWorker
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legallyhomeless said: use at least a 15 inch deep and like 15 long
That sounds about as small as I would go...
good deal.
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: WWorker]
#7578040 - 10/30/07 07:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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read my log in my sig for more pictures
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WWorker
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legallyhomeless said: read my log in my sig for more pictures
Oh I already did brother, and I was highly impressed....and amused...
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: WWorker]
#7579588 - 10/31/07 07:03 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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im a dumbass, and i've had 100% success..
do more then one monotub just in case one goes down to the contams.
uhm,
I do g2g transfers then spawn to manure.
occasionally i'll do coir subs, but yeah i'll stick to manure.
even idiots can do this succesfully.
all this glovebox or flowhood shit is overkill.
I do everything open air, and still have 100% success.
pz
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: jeetered]
#7579645 - 10/31/07 07:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You must have a fairly low spore count/ increadibly clean working conditions.
In my flat if i dont use a glove box my success rate was very low, last atttempt at open air, 3 out of 4 contamed, another batch 1 out of 3 contamed.
Since moving to glovebox, my last batchs all clonised fine. Are you using the method where u use an alcohol soaked spinged to keep the needle from being exposed?? Like a retractable needle cover type thing?
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: veda_sticks]
#7579678 - 10/31/07 07:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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veda_sticks said: You must have a fairly low spore count/ increadibly clean working conditions.
In my flat if i dont use a glove box my success rate was very low, last atttempt at open air, 3 out of 4 contamed, another batch 1 out of 3 contamed.
Since moving to glovebox, my last batchs all clonised fine. Are you using the method where u use an alcohol soaked spinged to keep the needle from being exposed?? Like a retractable needle cover type thing?
well, i haven't touched a syringe in i don't know how long, i've been doing open air grain to grains.
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: veda_sticks]
#7579685 - 10/31/07 07:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The main problem I have had with mono tubs. Is condensation dripping on the sub and causing overlay.
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WWorker
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Thanks for all the feedback!
I really like what I am hearing from Jeetered. I really don't have much time to devote to this. Money isn't really a problem(within reason) and I am a pretty capable person. I just don't have time.
With that said, I DO plan on continuing to use my glove box and other sterile practices. It is just reassuring to hear so many say it is EASY!!!
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Re: monotub disadvantages? [Re: WWorker]
#7581870 - 10/31/07 06:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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WWorker said: Thanks for all the feedback!
I really like what I am hearing from Jeetered. I really don't have much time to devote to this. Money isn't really a problem(within reason) and I am a pretty capable person. I just don't have time.
With that said, I DO plan on continuing to use my glove box and other sterile practices. It is just reassuring to hear so many say it is EASY!!!
if you have these tools at your disposal by all means c0ntinue using them. I would like to say that i'm still very OCD about cleaning and what not, and i don't want to start a trend of slacking on cleanliness, but, i have just about as much success with a clean house, as I do with a not so ideal environment, In fact, I usually get deformed shrooms when I clean heavily.
I did have my place fogged with microban 2 weeks before I moved, And i've lived here a solid month now. My last place, did the same thing, lived there a year, only had a few instances of trichoderma.
I think the microban fogger has a big part in it. Now, I don't want to start a big trend of people fogging their houses either. Microban can flat out kill you. Call a technician licensed to do such things, you'll live longer.
peace.
WWorker I accidentally deleted my entire inbox instead of moving it to "still need to read" folder.
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