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Butt shaped mutant caps!?
    #7575218 - 10/30/07 01:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So I've started seeing an increasing number of mutant fruits popping up. Here are some pics.... sorry number 3 is crappy.

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It appears as if the mushrooms are confused. One section of the cap seems to be breaking away from the veil WAY to early, while the rest of the cap is still attached. Does anyone have any insight into possible causes of this phenomenon? Anyone ever had this issue before?


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Re: Butt shaped mutant caps!? [Re: NStoney]
    #7575227 - 10/30/07 01:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hah just like people Mushrooms are all beautiful.. I'd just accept it.. Bet you get extra messed up with those "special" boomers.. Maybe you left alot of cleaning residue in your FC? Lysol disinfectant? Anything like that.. Could cause the mutants. Im stoned man.. =} Happy Fruiting


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Re: Butt shaped mutant caps!? [Re: phoenixsage911]
    #7575368 - 10/30/07 03:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

^ I second that lysol, I had a friend growing pe and none would come up right at all, nothing but retarded looking nubs came up, and he just took away the lysol from the system, and voila! Needed a little more FAE than he was giving too I'm sure.


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Re: Butt shaped mutant caps!? [Re: mebesideme]
    #7576795 - 10/30/07 01:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yea, I know its not lysol or cleaning solution. I'm wondering if it could just be old age, and consequently degrading genetics. All the cakes that the above picture fruits came off of were started with the same LC. The thing that makes me wonder is that this LC is roughly 3 months old, but its still going strong. Is it possible that an LC that old could cause the genetics to degrade and cause mutations?


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Re: Butt shaped mutant caps!? [Re: NStoney]
    #7577056 - 10/30/07 02:43 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Phoenix's first point should be well taken; those aren't unusual at all. They're not mutants, either, but deformaties. The former implies a genetic impetus, in which case you'd have more than a few odd caps. Grow more; if mushrooms press up against anything during pin creation, or are exposed to petrochemicals they'll rosecomb or otherwise deform. It's fairly normal, and nothing to worry about.


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Re: Butt shaped mutant caps!? [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7577064 - 10/30/07 02:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

just eat em...


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Re: Butt shaped mutant caps!? [Re: mebesideme]
    #7577106 - 10/30/07 02:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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^ I second that lysol, I had a friend growing pe and none would come up right at all, nothing but retarded looking nubs came up, and he just took away the lysol from the system, and voila! Needed a little more FAE than he was giving too I'm sure.




Lysol is not responsible for mutations. Poor FAE and allowing water to remain on the pins during fruiting is almost always the root of all environmentally caused mutations...

Not that I'd be interested in mushies saturated in lysol myself. In this industry there is absolutely no reason to not have a 100% organic product when you're not farming in the hundreds / thousands of pounds per harvest.


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Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Butt shaped mutant caps!? [Re: NStoney]
    #7577120 - 10/30/07 03:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

NStoney said:
Yea, I know its not lysol or cleaning solution. I'm wondering if it could just be old age, and consequently degrading genetics. All the cakes that the above picture fruits came off of were started with the same LC. The thing that makes me wonder is that this LC is roughly 3 months old, but its still going strong. Is it possible that an LC that old could cause the genetics to degrade and cause mutations?




LOL, belay my last then regarding the lysol.

As for senility (the old age of the master LC) it could play a role - mycelium is not well adapted to long-term storage in a liquid medium - but I don't know the thresholds for how long an LC should be considered valid.


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figgusfiddus said:
Keep in mind that inoculating or whatever in front of a flow hood won't help your bad substrate, your bad inoculant, your bad sterile procedure, etc. etc. etc. It's not a +3 flowhood of magic, it's just a tool.


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Re: Butt shaped mutant caps!? [Re: mycocurious]
    #7577124 - 10/30/07 03:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Poor FAE and allowing water to remain on the pins during fruiting is almost always the root of all environmentally caused mutations...




Your first comment is only true in a literal sense. Lysol and other petrochemicals will deform fruit bodies; there's little question about that.

Mutations as I mentioned, are genetic. By the time you're fruiting (i.e. "water on the mycelium") the genetics have long since been established, and hyphal connections made.


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Re: Butt shaped mutant caps!? [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7577718 - 10/30/07 05:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm actually pretty sure alot of experienced growers will agree with, the Cleaning Solution is helping to form the genetic "mishapes".. I've read dozen of posts where people have cleaned their residue better, or stopped using their cleaner in such excess and corrected their issue. =}


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Re: Butt shaped mutant caps!? [Re: phoenixsage911]
    #7578752 - 10/30/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Petrochemicals will cause mis-shapen shrooms. It has nothing to do with their genetics.


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