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    #7574983 - 10/29/07 11:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

so i just came across a half of pretty good hash for the first time in like 4 years and i realized that theres like no info on erowid about it and nobody really talks about it on here?

Whats the deal? Hash is so sick kuz it gets you so much higher with far less material to smoke. Its healthier for you kuz you dont have to physically smoke as much.

First i was wondering what the going rate for hash is for you guys. I got a half ounce for $155 although i know another friend who says he can get me hash for weed prices.

Also do you guys notice any significant changes from a weed high to a hash high? Let me know how you feel about hash as i've barely had any time to figure out if its better than weed or not.


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Re: Hash [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7575002 - 10/29/07 11:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think a Half O for $155 is THAT bad. Only time I've ever had hash (oil hash) was whenever I made it myself. I definitely preffer hash.

It's really hard to come by in DFW area, I could easily sell it for $30 a G, most people are excited when I tell them $20(I rarely make hash and even more rarily sell it) .

I love the taste, the high, pretty much everything about it. I preffer to put a little cake on top of some bud though.


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Re: Hash [Re: Acaterpillar]
    #7575025 - 10/29/07 11:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

also, does anybody know any good hash from bud teks or hash oil teks or even better yet honey oil teks?


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Re: Hash [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7575088 - 10/30/07 12:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

To make hash, take your bud (preferably not bud, it's better to use leaf or shake since bud is perfectly good to smoke and potent enough as is)... cut or grind it up to a fine consistency, but not to a powder... put it in a glass full of ice cold (from the freezer) alcohol, the highest percentage you can find. 190 proof grain alcohol is good for this, but you can get 90% or better isypropyl alcohol at most drug stores a lot easier (and cheaper)... so you've got your ground weed mixed with the alcohol... you'll want about 3x as much alcohol as weed... so 1/4 of the jar's contents will be herb... Shake it for a good 10 minutes or so, then strain the alcohol through a filter. Coffee filters are good. You'll then want to evaporate the alcohol, preferably in a glass pan. This, if done correctly, when dried, it will be a yellowish film covering the pan, identical to trichromes on good bud. When you scrape it up, you'll notice it turns black, because these are the oils (thc and cannabinoids) extracted from the weed. You can alter the process, and using more alcohol, or shaking longer (or letting it sit longer), or using less-fine filters, but the final product is going to be less potent, and also be a lot stickier and harder to handle, due to chlorophyll and other tannin content. If you're looking for very potent, easy-to-handle hash, use the above method. If you're looking for a higher yield of less potent material, use more alcohol and shake longer. Using the initial method, SOME, but not much, beneficial oils will be left behind. You can either discard your previously extracted bud, or do another runthrough with alcohol, gaining some more. You can repeat this process, until nothing more is extracted, but the more extractions you do, the less potent your final product will be, and the more impurities it will contain, thus being harder to handle (very gooey and nasty!).

Hash oil is made with butane. It's not a hard concept, but I won't elaborate on it here, because the following reasons: hash oil is slightly more complicated and potentially dangerous to make, regarding the gas involved. As well, it's an oil, and far harder to handle and utilize than a solid resinous substance (like normal hash described above). As well, hash oil is often only as potent, or only slightly more potent than normal solid hash, thus the extra process for oil is not neccessarily beneficial... You can always take your solidified hash and redissolve it in a small amount of alcohol or hot water to make an oil, say for soaking rolling papers and what-not. But for general smoking purposes, the cold alcohol extraction is the way to go. Easier, cheaper, and extremely efficient.


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Re: Hash [Re: emeryg89]
    #7575104 - 10/30/07 12:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what kind of yields have you gotten from that method?


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Re: Hash [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7577484 - 10/30/07 04:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It all depends on what I use for the base... fan leaves, shake or trim leaf, or bud. Bud will obviously produce the most, with fan leaves being the least. I've gotten a gram or so of pure yellow trichromes from a couple ounces of whole male plant matter. I've gotten a couple grams of more impure stuff of male/female fan leaves, using non-chilled alcohol and shaking/setting for prolonged periods.

If you're looking for yield, don't chill your alcohol, and shake the hell out of the jar for an hour or more. Or just do a bunch of shorter run-throughs with new alcohol each time.

If you're looking for purity (potency)... do exactly as I initially described above. The yield will be less, but the potency drastically increased.

If you're afraid of not getting all the THC and other oils out of the plant matter, do a quick initial runthrough with chilled alcohol and let it evaporate by itself... then do further runthroughs, or just let the weed sit in a jar of alcohol for a few days, shaking periodically, and evaporate in a seperate pan from your first runthrough. This will ensure you get all the actives out... you'll be left with a small batch of really really good hash, and some subsequent batches of stuff more or less on par with typical 'resin'.


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Re: Hash [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7577657 - 10/30/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Plenty of people talk about hash here and many other places. There is lots of info on it out there. Sadly Overgrow, which had one of the best hash threads ever, not just for method but also for display, is now gone. However just shoot over to a good cannabis forum and you should find what you are looking for. Grasscity and HomeGrown 420 are both alright.

Hash is concentrated trichomes, it is worth much more than bud in all of its forms. Unless its dirty ass iso hash...

Mmmm...Bubble hash...mmmm...


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Re: Hash [Re: mecreateme]
    #7577741 - 10/30/07 05:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I disregard that, because I've made iso hash the compares to any other hash I've had before... the technique is key... most will not use ice cold alcohol, and also shake or let sit for way too long, not to mention use filters that aren't fine enough. Like I said before, with an iso extraction, I've yielded a layer of pure yellow trichromes, with no visible impurities.


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Re: Hash [Re: mecreateme]
    #7577779 - 10/30/07 05:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

does it actually get you that much higher? the hash i bought is good but not that good and do you think the hash i'm getting for same price as weed will be any good at all?

Anyways i think i want to try using butaine and making honey oil. A friend of mine said all you need is like a needle coated with honey oil and poke it into the center of a joint and pull it back out and you will get fucked. If this IS the case, i am eager.


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Re: Hash [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7577819 - 10/30/07 06:00 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A needle point of hash oil will get you as high as a needle point of solid extracted trichrome hash if done correctly.

GOOD hash, done right, gets you pretty damn high... there are a few strains of weed out there that might compare with the potency of good hash. The best hash (or the best weed), you'd probably be set smoking only 2 hits at a time.

Lesser quality hash is like lesser quality bud... it needs to be done right if you're looking for max potency... again, the process I described above is as good as any I've ever seen/tried.


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Re: Hash [Re: emeryg89]
    #7577847 - 10/30/07 06:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well it says yields are like %10-15 of the full so that means from 2 ounces id get tops 8.5 gs

that means each g has like a full q in it almost

does that mean that each g is worth like 50 bucks? If i were trying to make money that would be a horrible idea kuz hash usually goes 15 a g where i'm from.

I'm not intending to sell it though but still does that mean like if i smoke like a .3 of hash its like a full g of weed? if thats so the hash i have now is not that great.


Edited by TheHauntingSoul (10/30/07 06:09 PM)


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Re: Hash [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7577869 - 10/30/07 06:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If the hash you have now WAS that great, you'd know it by now, hehe!!

As for the exact ratios and percentages I have no idea. But smoking a 3rd of a gram, being equal to a gram, sounds right... I'm assuming you can get it more potent than this though, or less, depending on your method.

As for your hash, it could've been less-than-satisfactory extracted, or they could just be selling you resin, which would be hard to tell the difference from someone that has not extracted hash before.

Good hash, you'll know... after a couple good big rips and you'll be nice and blazed.


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Re: Hash [Re: emeryg89]
    #7577919 - 10/30/07 06:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

this hash crumbles, it is not very malleable


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Re: Hash [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7578725 - 10/30/07 10:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If it crumbles, it was either improperly extracted (for potency), or was just hard resin from, probably, a glass pipe. I'd be wary of buying hash next time before you try it first. If you don't get good and stoned off one big rip, you might as well just buy premium bud, for a cheaper or equivelant price, which will do the same thing, and taste better!!


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Re: Hash [Re: emeryg89]
    #7578749 - 10/30/07 10:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Good hash will still be a bit sticky to the touch, all the way to the other the end of the spectrum, which is complete oil, which is much-more-than sticky, very gooey, and hard to work with.


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Re: Hash [Re: emeryg89]
    #7581996 - 10/31/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I got the best hash ive ever had recently. good hash gets you extremely blazed off a few hits...looks like a rock almost, dark brown-black. Good hash softens from the heat from your hands and is pretty easy to break off individual pieces...it does not crumble..if your hash crumbled it could be pressed keif


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Re: Hash [Re: Phish20]
    #7582082 - 10/31/07 07:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah thats what i'm thinking it was because i smoked like a p3 of it and i was pretty high, just pretty high not super fucked or anything, i was able to smoke another 2 full salad bowls afterwards and was still not as high as i'd ever been. From what your telling me real hash i would probably be lying under the couch laughing for a good hour after that


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Re: Hash [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7582150 - 10/31/07 07:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, I guess 'real' hash isn't a good word, because many different methods can be used to make hash... even pressed kief hash, off good potent plants, would have you laughing your ass off with a few hits... most likely.. you could have really good hash and not know it if you were a heavy toker... that'd be the only other thing I could think of making it seem impotent.

The smoking method also makes a lot of the difference. Burning it out of a bowl, torching it with a lighter, IS NOT the way to smoke hash. Any type of freebase/vaporizing method is best... you'll waste a lot of product torching it with a lighter. This goes the same when you smoke resin.


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Re: Hash [Re: emeryg89]
    #7582162 - 10/31/07 07:48 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

freebase/vaporizing as in like a lightbulb pipe?
- And to expand on that how does one make a lightbulb pipe?

I hear hot knives are a good way of doing it

I guess baking it into brownies would be good too


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Re: Hash [Re: TheHauntingSoul]
    #7582331 - 10/31/07 08:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, eating is always a good option!!

A lightbulb pipe, never made one, but the theory is correct. Hot knives also vaporizes, but you'll lose some smoke, and won't be able to take as pure rips as you would off a freebase pipe. For freebasing any oils I always use a testube with a straw or some other type of tube... glass test tubes work, or any other glass tubes like cigar tubes. You heat from the outside with a lighter, wait for the chamber to fill up, and start sucking, all the while keeping the lighter right to the glass (or close to it, depending on the thickness)... there's definately a technique to it, but it's not hard to get used to. You can also make tubes out of aluminum foil and do the same thing and freebase right off that... works fine, with very minimal smoke loss.


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