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OfflineMeatyVitamin
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Freedom VS Equality
    #7574964 - 10/29/07 11:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

In a world completely unified behind the decision you are about to make, would you prefer complete freedom or complete equality.

That being said freedom still includes property rights, and some form of human organization (not anarchism).

I would pick complete equality, partly because I can't justify any way of ranking one human beings worth over another's.


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Re: Freedom VS Equality [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7575410 - 10/30/07 04:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> I would pick complete equality, partly because I can't justify any way of ranking one human beings worth over another's.

The problem with complete equality is that the entire population is taken to the level of the lowest common denominator. Considering that we are keeping brain dead bodies alive, I think I will pick complete freedom as opposed to complete equality.


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Re: Freedom VS Equality [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7575424 - 10/30/07 04:51 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MeatyVitamin said:
In a world completely unified behind the decision you are about to make, would you prefer complete freedom or complete equality.

That being said freedom still includes property rights, and some form of human organization (not anarchism).

I would pick complete equality, partly because I can't justify any way of ranking one human beings worth over another's.




I also would choose freedom because humans have proven time and time again that in any societal concept of equality some are more equal than others.


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Re: Freedom VS Equality [Re: Seuss]
    #7575632 - 10/30/07 07:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Kill em all and let God sort em out


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Re: Freedom VS Equality [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7575715 - 10/30/07 08:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Freedom can be a tricky thing, especially when it comes to property rights, which differ from culture to culture. I'm a big supporter of freedom, but I think our system of property inhibits freedom for a lot of people. Property rights are necessary, but we should rethink the way property rights are defined in our society. I'm keen on the ideas of Henry George regarding land and natural resources as common property(NOT state property). I think when we understand freedom in the proper context, we see that it facilitates greater equality.


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Re: Freedom VS Equality [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7577570 - 10/30/07 04:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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MeatyVitamin said:
In a world completely unified behind the decision you are about to make, would you prefer complete freedom or complete equality.

That being said freedom still includes property rights, and some form of human organization (not anarchism).

I would pick complete equality, partly because I can't justify any way of ranking one human beings worth over another's.




"freedom" as it has been defined in the US is definitely not a wise choice...


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Re: Freedom VS Equality [Re: BrAiN]
    #7578003 - 10/30/07 06:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> Kill em all and let God sort em out

Kill -9 em all and let fsck sort it out. (unix joke)

> "freedom" as it has been defined in the US is definitely not a wise choice...

Freemdom, as described in the US Constitution or as interpreted by the current court system? The two are very different.


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Re: Freedom VS Equality [Re: Annapurna1]
    #7578322 - 10/30/07 08:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I never implicitly suggested an American form of freedom. What I was thinking was libertarian freedom basically. The government maintains only what is needed to ensure property rights (ie. military, police) and nothing in forms of redistribution. You could imagine it as capitalism in its rawest forms.

I really like the idea of complete freedom, but what would stop people from taking advantage of others. What would stop bad business practices from monopolizing what we buy, and bad political practices from making us into serfs to their authoritarian government. The way i see it is that at least in an absolute communist paradise we may not have the ability to prosper beyond what we have, but everyone will have the opportunity to spend what (little) they do have on whatever makes them happy (so long as it doesn't prevent anyone else from doing the same). Its tough to imagine, so lets not worry about specific ways this would come about, but more about the underlying principles of freedom and equality.

Its amazing how well liberal democracies actually balance these two, we hear a lot of bitching, but the poor (in Canada at least) can get the medical care they need, and usually the food too. Things are definately turning more neo-con lately though, bad news for humanity as a whole :S.


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Re: Freedom VS Equality [Re: MeatyVitamin]
    #7578352 - 10/30/07 08:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I believe that ties in nicely with equality of opportunity and equality of results. Wait, so you're saying you like certain aspects of socialism and communism? People only need as much equality of opportunity as possible. This provides incentive. You can't just give them equality of results.


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