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Learning to control your dreams
    #7573985 - 10/29/07 06:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

So, I have been reading a lot of Toltec stuff lately. I am currently reading Carlos Castaneda's library of books (just finished The Fire From Within). Apparently there are exercises to help one to control their dreams and do anything thet would like to do.

There is more to this according to Castaneda. He says that while one is in a state of dreaming, a double can come into being. A double is the dream version of yourself, but is real to everyone else. He says you can even travel to anywhere in the world; the universe for that matter.

Does anyone have any revelations or insights about all this? Anyone read Castaneda or studied Toltec?

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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: ethnoguy]
    #7574774 - 10/29/07 10:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I read Castanedas books and enjoyed them. I find that his blend of fiction with reall occult teachings to have been a barrier for me though and I can only take his stuff so far in my personal work.

The fire within is one of my favorites of his, but as far as dreaming goes you should really read his art of dreaming.

I have had some experimentation with "disconecting" myself from a lucid dream to having an out of body experience and then disconecting again from that experience. I think there might be something to what Castaneda is saying but I haven't had enough opportunity to investigate. I used to have more frequent lucid dreams and so more OBE's bt since I moved into my apartment about 1.5 years ago I haven't had much happen. I think it has something to do with where I have my bed and the proximity of the apartment next to me.


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: Shnezbit]
    #7574958 - 10/29/07 11:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I am looking forward to The Art of Dreaming. I have found that Wild Dagga aids me in my dreaming, but as soon as I realize I am dreaming, I awake.

Intent, will, seeing, dreaming, the warrior's way, the eagles emanations are all facinating concepts to me. I views them all as possible, but mescalito and the allys are a bit of a stretch for me.

For me the philosophy behind his work is both contradictive and agreeable. Good stuff whether you agree with it or not.

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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: ethnoguy]
    #7575281 - 10/30/07 01:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Very interesting stuff here. I've been looking for something good to read on the topic of lucid dreaming. :thumbup:  :smile:

To prevent yourself from waking up when you first go lucid, you have to keep yourself from getting over excited/scared and stay calm. With time you will get desensitized to the feeling and it will be easier.


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: Nova]
    #7575417 - 10/30/07 04:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ive only been lucid once. I was dreaming and suddenly realised what was happening, my first thought was "this is a dream, i can do whatever i want!" So i jumped into the air and let myself fall down straight at the ground. I felt myself start floating before i hit it. I found that although i was aware of myself and the fact that i was dreaming, i still had a dream like state of mind. Weird things would happen, like switching to a completely different scene in a different place, but i would have that dream like acceptance of what was happening and not get freaked out about it. I think this allowed me to stay like this, rather than waking up with a start.


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: DimensionX]
    #7576546 - 10/30/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Look at your hands man.. focus on your hands..

When you first start to get that feeling, and then you start realizing your in a dream, you can't start leaping for joy cause you'll wake up. Immediately stare at your hands and bring them into focus as much as you possibly can down to the very smallest detail. Once it's pretty clear, then you can continue on and do w/e.

However that only lasts so long before you'll start feeling it slipping away and the dream starts getting blurry. Immediately shift your gaze back to your hands and focus again until it's clear.

I've been able to stay in a lucid dream for around 30 to 40 mins real time using this method. Just use your hands to keep yourself "in".


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: cube talk]
    #7578524 - 10/30/07 09:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yea the looking at hands; ive been meaning to try that one
so does rubbing your hands together, i also hear spinning does the trick


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: Nova]
    #7585624 - 11/01/07 09:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Very interesting stuff here. I've been looking for something good to read on the topic of lucid dreaming. :thumbup:  :smile:

To prevent yourself from waking up when you first go lucid, you have to keep yourself from getting over excited/scared and stay calm. With time you will get desensitized to the feeling and it will be easier.




Yes I totally agree with this. One thing I got from castaneda along this line is to focus "peripherally" with your attention. This works v ery well for me and as soon as I go lucid I try to recal this rule for myself. If I focus directly on something, like an object or thought, I find I either wake up or lose lucidity. I try to stay aloof somewhat, really periferal focus is the best way to describe it.


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: Shnezbit]
    #7585651 - 11/01/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

ive had 3 lucid dreams i usualy end up having sex but in my first one i thought i was in a coma and trapped in my dream but really a lucid dream isnt a dream at all because in a dream u have no connection to urself and once u realize u are dreaming u go to a different state of sleep which is lighter and u tend to wake up easier


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: shroomingjew]
    #7585939 - 11/01/07 10:36 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I love lucid dreaming.

I;ve come a long way in what i am able to do in them.

When i am having a lucid dream, and i come to realize that it is a dream, i can do things like fly and shit.

Because i tell myself that it is a dream, that it isnt real, and that it is formless. Kind of like the matrix. I tell myself to "feel" like i can do it (fly), then i jump into the air and just.. fly.

It's fuckin amazing.

It's sometimes difficult to stay in the dream, but one trick that i found is to first acknoledge that it is a dream, but do not dwell on the fact that it is a dream, for you will slip out of it. Instead, acknoledge that it is a dream, but then acknoledge that what you are experiencing is reality for the time being. Know that what you are experiencing is happening, and dont try to disect it. Don't try to "make" it real, just let it be real. Don't focus on the fact that it's a dream, and don't focus on analyzing the dream world because you can't when you are in it, because if you being to "focus" and "analyze" whats going on.. you will literally begin to use your EYES. And when that happens, guess what, your eyes are focused and they OPEN and then TADA!!! YOU ARE AWAKE. So don't focus your eyes in the dream world. Just feel it. Let it be real. Don't try to find evidence of it. Just feel it. And fly.

PM me if you are interested in some tips.. i realize this post is too long and messy.


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: cube talk]
    #7585956 - 11/01/07 10:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Look at your hands man.. focus on your hands..

When you first start to get that feeling, and then you start realizing your in a dream, you can't start leaping for joy cause you'll wake up. Immediately stare at your hands and bring them into focus as much as you possibly can down to the very smallest detail. Once it's pretty clear, then you can continue on and do w/e.

However that only lasts so long before you'll start feeling it slipping away and the dream starts getting blurry. Immediately shift your gaze back to your hands and focus again until it's clear.

I've been able to stay in a lucid dream for around 30 to 40 mins real time using this method. Just use your hands to keep yourself "in".





i'm gonna try this next time! if i remember...


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7600809 - 11/05/07 10:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I realize i'am dreaming every morning. It can be fun sometimes but honestly it can be annoying when I just wanna sleep and be gone. Alot of the time i feel almost like im being sucked in to something and my body gives me strangely powerful emotions and will then paralyze and i know im asleep. If i do this process gradually and remain compltely conscious I will see imagery of another place and it will feel very real. This usually happens if iv already woken in the morning and am trying to go back to sleep. In the middle of the night its much harder to have consistent pure awareness but I will realize im dreaming over and over going in and out. I'v pretended i'm in dragonballz, that i was spiderman, and bang chicks all the time haha whatever you think of will happen so you can kinda control it.Sometimes i'll just feel like im watching a movie that my minds creating.
Overall I have to say all of this is just a creation of my own mind thats extremely "real" as far as the definition of real entails. Since I believe this realm is limited to my myself, my own mind, i dont consider it a real place.


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: ethnoguy]
    #7605904 - 11/07/07 08:21 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)
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This is probably the best book there is on how to control your dreams:

Exploring the World of Lucid Dreaming by Stephen LaBerge


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7608905 - 11/07/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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Look at your hands man.. focus on your hands..

When you first start to get that feeling, and then you start realizing your in a dream, you can't start leaping for joy cause you'll wake up. Immediately stare at your hands and bring them into focus as much as you possibly can down to the very smallest detail. Once it's pretty clear, then you can continue on and do w/e.

However that only lasts so long before you'll start feeling it slipping away and the dream starts getting blurry. Immediately shift your gaze back to your hands and focus again until it's clear.

I've been able to stay in a lucid dream for around 30 to 40 mins real time using this method. Just use your hands to keep yourself "in".





i'm gonna try this next time! if i remember...




i tried it... IT WORKS.

Wow.. how vivid it was.. as soon as i looked down at my hands it looks like pure bold colours just washed over my dream and everything was looking almost 100% real. I managed to fall out of the dream though because I looked at my hands a second time and foolishly tried focus on one hand and really look at it intensly. That is a no no.


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: ethnoguy]
    #7609661 - 11/08/07 12:55 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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So, I have been reading a lot of Toltec stuff lately. I am currently reading Carlos Castaneda's library of books (just finished The Fire From Within). Apparently there are exercises to help one to control their dreams and do anything thet would like to do.

There is more to this according to Castaneda. He says that while one is in a state of dreaming, a double can come into being. A double is the dream version of yourself, but is real to everyone else. He says you can even travel to anywhere in the world; the universe for that matter.

Does anyone have any revelations or insights about all this? Anyone read Castaneda or studied Toltec?

EG




I do it often..

I would not limit it like that though...

Endless..


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: Gomp]
    #7610364 - 11/08/07 09:52 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

HAHA!!  I tried the hand thing last night.  WOW!

I was walking down a road that I used to live on years ago, fast forward, I realize it's a dream and a jump up all giddy-like, almost waking myself up.  Then I focused on my hands, until the foggy dream state when *SNAP* and everything was so ridiculously vivid and crystal clear.  Total lucid dream, very sweet!  I had to look at my hands a few times throughout the experience, as my peripheral would begin to become blurry and I could tell I was waking up.  Very nice technique!! :thumbup::thumbup: :mushroom2: :tongue2: :sun: :psychsplit:


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: SoY]
    #7610418 - 11/08/07 10:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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HAHA!!  I tried the hand thing last night.  WOW!

I was walking down a road that I used to live on years ago, fast forward, I realize it's a dream and a jump up all giddy-like, almost waking myself up.  Then I focused on my hands, until the foggy dream state when *SNAP* and everything was so ridiculously vivid and crystal clear.  Total lucid dream, very sweet!  I had to look at my hands a few times throughout the experience, as my peripheral would begin to become blurry and I could tell I was waking up.  Very nice technique!! :thumbup::thumbup: :mushroom2: :tongue2: :sun: :psychsplit:




fuk ya!  it was amazing!


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: Ginseng1]
    #7640256 - 11/15/07 03:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

:wink: glad to help.

heh, I haven't been able to slip into a lucid one in a while though. Been almost 2 months are so meh.

The very first one i had where i spent around 40 minutes in my dream was just... unreal, not even a word for it. Everytime it started getting hazy, i'd just re-focus on my hands.

You know what i call it? Heaven.

The only reason the dream didn't last longer is because i knew it was around 7am in the "real" and it was time to wake up. So i let the dream haze itself out.

When i opened my eyes on the bed, it was almost like blinking out of the dream to my bed, no wakeup period or nothing.

I encourage everyone to learn to do this. Because, one day, i'm going to stay in that realm and not return.


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: Gomp]
    #7640301 - 11/15/07 03:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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ethnoguy said:
So, I have been reading a lot of Toltec stuff lately. I am currently reading Carlos Castaneda's library of books (just finished The Fire From Within). Apparently there are exercises to help one to control their dreams and do anything thet would like to do.

There is more to this according to Castaneda. He says that while one is in a state of dreaming, a double can come into being. A double is the dream version of yourself, but is real to everyone else. He says you can even travel to anywhere in the world; the universe for that matter.

Does anyone have any revelations or insights about all this? Anyone read Castaneda or studied Toltec?

EG




I do it often..

I would not limit it like that though...

Endless..




It is absolutely endless with no limits or boundaries. It is neo becoming aware of the matrix if you will.

It is everything and anything in one, anything you want, everything you could ever dream of, it is right there in full control by yourself.

It is heaven


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Re: Learning to control your dreams [Re: cube talk]
    #7641887 - 11/15/07 09:11 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Heaven is where the sky touch the ground.. :p


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