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OfflineBlueRidge
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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: Icelander]
    #7575851 - 10/30/07 09:40 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yes, but it must become true at some point, no?


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: BlueRidge]
    #7575855 - 10/30/07 09:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yes, but it could break the cycle by extinction.;)


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: Icelander]
    #7575873 - 10/30/07 09:47 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

heh, very true. imo, technology has made humans somewhat lazy. too many people must purchase their food from the supermarket to survive. i would like to go into depth much more but i have to go to work (so i can buy food at the supermarket). humans are very good at making systems, maybe too good?


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: trendal]
    #7577270 - 10/30/07 03:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You're assuming food is finite.


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #7577293 - 10/30/07 03:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Everything physical is finite.


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: Icelander]
    #7577353 - 10/30/07 03:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Is there a limit to stupidity?


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7577371 - 10/30/07 03:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Of course there is. Humans aren't that creative.


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: Silversoul]
    #7577662 - 10/30/07 05:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Fortunately, one thing that distinguishes humans is a great capacity for learning(even if it takes a while). The fact that it's happened before does not mean it must happen again.




We may be aware of the problem, but I don't see many people consciously going through life, choosing to remain childless for "the good of all humanity". Everyone on earth knows our population is growing at exponential levels, and most everyone on earth is still reproducing. Unfortunately, those that aren't reproducing tend to be the more intelligent ones. That can't be good for future populations...


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: adrug]
    #7577671 - 10/30/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I couldn't agree more.


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: Icelander]
    #7577997 - 10/30/07 06:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

unfortunately, our societies aren't too conducive at having true leaders lead. rather difficult when populations are in the millions and billions also though, IMO.

we will get better when we learn.


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: BlueRidge]
    #7578274 - 10/30/07 08:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Well, so long as you don't mind going native for a bit when shit hits the fan and acquiring a taste for your fellow man, there'll be plenty of food to sustain you through the worst of it :wink:


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: BlueRidge]
    #7578295 - 10/30/07 08:22 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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BlueRidge said:
The infrastructure of present civilization is DEPENDENT on fossil fuels. How can some sort of population die off not be inevitable?




Well, a path of continuously reducing our dependency on fossil fuels would be the answer. :wink:


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7579788 - 10/31/07 08:34 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yes, reducing our dependency on fossil fuels would be nice. it is rather impractical when you really think about it though. you cannot just switch to something else, what would that something be? biodiesel? solar? wind? hydro? these alternatives simply do not have what it takes to replace cheap oil.


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: BlueRidge]
    #7579862 - 10/31/07 08:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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BlueRidge said:
yes, reducing our dependency on fossil fuels would be nice. it is rather impractical when you really think about it though. you cannot just switch to something else, what would that something be? biodiesel? solar? wind? hydro? these alternatives simply do not have what it takes to replace cheap oil.




Clearly we wouldn't "just switch", and I don't think there would be a singular replacement, nor should there be. Our dependence on oil only begins with gasoline and electricity production, however, my main concern, especially in relation to a human die off, would be in regards to food supply, and oil's present role in agriculture. Of course, our system of transferring the energy from the Sun into our bodies is so wasteful and convoluted that simply growing and consuming the right plant material would absolve any concerns regarding that.


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Re: Population: exponential growth and the inevitable die off [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7586652 - 11/02/07 06:06 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Perhaps a better analogy is the opening scene in the movie: '2001 Space Odyssey' where the two tribes are discussing the ownership of a watering-hole only big enough for one. As long as there is enough, you can drink as much as you like - regardless of race, color or creed; but in the end, there has always been only one solution to the problem.

Perhaps it's time to start treating the cause - instead of the symptoms?


Edited by 2sky (11/02/07 08:28 AM)


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