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Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics?
#7573660 - 10/29/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've taken all kinds of psychedelics and lately some people around me seem interested in what I'm doing, and I'm getting the feeling they are going to ask me to introduce them to psychedelics.
So I smoked DMT for the first time the other day, just a low dose to test the waters. The whole thing lasted about 5 minutes, I saw visions for a minute, maybe two.
I was thinking that this experience, but a little bit stronger, would be a great intro into psychedelics, allowing someone to see what it's like without having to have hours of tripping if they don't want to. Just a tiny peak behind the veil...
What do you think?
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
#7573694 - 10/29/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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as long as you're careful with the dosage and not give them too much it should be quite an experience.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
#7573754 - 10/29/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey there. i have been using DMT for that exact purpose for a little while now. I have introduced 8 people this way. I had two people with negative experiences. Of these two both felt it was a beneficial experience but were very frightened. They both have been interested in trying again. Everyone else was blown away. I believe DMT is not only a fantastic first trip for people but that it can have major benefits for future experiences. I think if you do this it is best to let people research it first (So you know they want to undertake the experience). I like to make a ritual out of it. Good people. Some great music kinda quiet. A nice conversation until your friend is ready, then... blast off. I like to go for a moderate to strong experience for first timers. I think this is all up to you and how well you know DMT and your friends. Have fun
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: tihkal]
#7573915 - 10/29/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I say go for it. The best thing you can do is start small however. And if someone is put off from psychedlics by DMT, just let them know that all psychedlics aren't like that. DMT is kinda of a mini world of its own.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: boletusoftruth]
#7574008 - 10/29/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Do you think it gives people enough time to adequately see what the experience is like?
I first 'understood' what psychedelics were on a medium-strong mushroom trip. After that I realized psychedelics and me were always meant to be together . In that trip all the layers of bullshit were stripped off and I discovered my 'true self'. I don't know if I could have recognized the experience for what it was in 15 minutes.
The obvious benefit with DMT as an intro is its short duration. Perhaps it could even be used to help people who tend to have bad trips, in a moderate, not mind blowing dose of course. People could just experience a bit of it at a time and slowly work through their anxiety, rather having to deal with 4-12 hours of it.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
#7574031 - 10/29/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Synthetic drugs are bad. So I wouldn't recommend it ever.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7574043 - 10/29/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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i really hope you're joking...
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7574044 - 10/29/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You think DMT is synthetic? LOL! DMT is is found all throughout nature in hundreds of species of plants and animals including humans.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: muistrue]
#7574055 - 10/29/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Haha funny joke. Or hideous ignorance.. one of the two
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7574063 - 10/29/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: Synthetic drugs are bad. So I wouldn't recommend it ever.
I don't think DMT is a synthetic drug. You can get it from a bunch of different vines by making a brew out of them. Small amounts of it are also present in the human brain in small amounts. I'm pretty sure you can make dmt synthetically, but if endogenous then i dont think its a synthetic chemical
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
#7574109 - 10/29/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The one drawback of DMT as a first trip, as I see it, would be that if it's really a bizarre trip, it could turn people off, because there's no adjustment period where you get acclimated to the new mental space you're in. I've never taken DMT myself, though, but it's something to consider. My first psychedelic trip was four grams of mushrooms and it was the type of experience I would love for more people to have.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Lion]
#7574138 - 10/29/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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short duration is a plus
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
#7574159 - 10/29/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you say so 
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: muistrue]
#7574433 - 10/29/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You think DMT is synthetic? LOL! DMT is is found all throughout nature in hundreds of species of plants and animals including humans.
I am aware of this. But it can also be synthesized can it not? Would it not be cheaper to synthesize?
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7574445 - 10/29/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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what's your point?
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: maggotz]
#7574521 - 10/29/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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That there's a chance that the dmt you get will be synthetic. And synthetic does not mean it will be the exact same molecule.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7574527 - 10/29/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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it will be the same molecule whether it's in a plant or made in a lab. get your facts straight.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7574600 - 10/29/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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You think DMT is synthetic? LOL! DMT is is found all throughout nature in hundreds of species of plants and animals including humans.
I am aware of this. But it can also be synthesized can it not? Would it not be cheaper to synthesize?
Of coarse it can be synthesized. So can psilocybin, mescaline, and THC. Cheaper? No way! If you spend $55 on a pound of MHRB, $8 on a tub of Lye, and $5 on a bottle of naphtha you have 3-4 grams of pure DMT freebase crystals. Or spend $30 on a pound of Caapi vine and $30 on a 1/2 pound of chacruna and you got several full blown ayahuasca journeys. Synthesizing DMT takes tons of money invested in lab equipment, regents, precursors, and years of organic chemistry classes.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7574971 - 10/29/07 11:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: That there's a chance that the dmt you get will be synthetic. And synthetic does not mean it will be the exact same molecule.
If it were a different molecule then it would not be a dmt molecule, which it is.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Helixx]
#7575059 - 10/30/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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as to the question of dose, i think its important to make the experience as enjoyable (cough) as possible, but relize that with a massive dose, there won't be a chance for fear to be there because the ego is totally dead. its the middle doses where people feel strong effects and sense where this may lead... thats where bad trips tend to happen. but then again, like it's been said, in the right environment a bad trip is good. good luck with guiding, that's the best part imo, to see the person on their first/important voyage
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: sleepy]
#7575111 - 10/30/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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synthetic is the same as not. Curadera Maria Sabina took synthetic mushrooms and said it had the same magic as real mushrooms.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Helixx]
#7576110 - 10/30/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Quote: jonathan_206 said: That there's a chance that the dmt you get will be synthetic. And synthetic does not mean it will be the exact same molecule.
If it were a different molecule then it would not be a dmt molecule, which it is.
That's not true at all. A synthetic form of a natural molecule does not have to be exactly the same to work. It can and does have slight variations. And there are synthetic molecules that have slight variations like lsd. Hoffman synthesized many variations of lsd.
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Of coarse it can be synthesized. So can psilocybin, mescaline, and THC. Cheaper? No way! If you spend $55 on a pound of MHRB, $8 on a tub of Lye, and $5 on a bottle of naphtha you have 3-4 grams of pure DMT freebase crystals. Or spend $30 on a pound of Caapi vine and $30 on a 1/2 pound of chacruna and you got several full blown ayahuasca journeys. Synthesizing DMT takes tons of money invested in lab equipment, regents, precursors, and years of organic chemistry classes.
Right, it can be made from natural substances, but considering how cheap it is to make mdma for instance, spending 70$ for 4 grams of dmt is not very lucrative at all. The lab equipment is always the most expensive, but once you have then it's possible to be manufactured very cheaply depending upon the chemicals necessary. Dmt is not synthesized often. But it is not sold on the street very other either.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7576215 - 10/30/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I think when you 1st introduce someone new to psychedelics, DMT would be an awesome choice because of it's duration. However, since the onset is very fast, this could be frightening. I always get nervous before a DMT trip because it hits me after the 2nd toke and it feels like I really shouldn't take that last toke to really blast off. Someone said to ignore this feeling and take the 3rd toke but while your limbs are going numb and it's coming on like a tsunami, it's hard to convince yourself while you're experiencing this. Anyway, I think the method of smoking and dosage is the key, I took large tokes the last time and afterwards my lungs were all f'ed up the next day... Long slow tokes is the way to go and I think one should really have a trip partner at 1st, so they can take the pipe and torch away once you're smoked all you could because it becomes impossible to hold stuff, etc. The last time I smoked DMT was a few months ago and I still haven't gotten the courage to try another round of this yet. Crazy stuff!
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7576254 - 10/30/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: That's not true at all. A synthetic form of a natural molecule does not have to be exactly the same to work. It can and does have slight variations. And there are synthetic molecules that have slight variations like lsd. Hoffman synthesized many variations of lsd.
All of which were nowhere near as psychoactive as LSD. People with enough chemistry knowledge would know the exact molecule they're making. They don't make a bunch of mixed-matched ones. And they'd make the potent one because that'd obviously be the more lucrative choice.
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jonathan_206 said: Right, it can be made from natural substances, but considering how cheap it is to make mdma for instance, spending 70$ for 4 grams of dmt is not very lucrative at all. The lab equipment is always the most expensive, but once you have then it's possible to be manufactured very cheaply depending upon the chemicals necessary. Dmt is not synthesized often. But it is not sold on the street very other either.
With that knowledge, access to various hard to get chemicals, all that lab at your disposal, you wouldn't waste your time on DMT. This is a very high profile operation, with virtually no payout as there is no real good market for DMT. Only amongst hardcore psychonauts, which usually just extract more than enough from mimosa to be satisfied.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: AlCapwn]
#7576310 - 10/30/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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DMT is easy as fuck to extract, takes near no chemical experience, and no equipment (kitchen ware would suffice).
jonathan_206, you don't realise it, but you're making a lot of people feel like smashing their head against a wall.
You'd have to be an idiot if you were synthisizing instead of extracting when your end goal is sale.
Look DMT up, you'll find its one of the most abundant psychoactive chemicals on earth.
I'm not sure why you'd think DMT isn't safe either, just check the color of your spice if you're questioning purity (red = bad)
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: kybish]
#7576383 - 10/30/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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DMT is easy as fuck to extract, takes near no chemical experience, and no equipment (kitchen ware would suffice).
jonathan_206, you don't realise it, but you're making a lot of people feel like smashing their head against a wall.
You'd have to be an idiot if you were synthesizing instead of extracting when your end goal is sale.
Look DMT up, you'll find its one of the most abundant psychoactive chemicals on earth.
I'm not sure why you'd think DMT isn't safe either, just check the color of your spice if you're questioning purity (red = bad)
Do ya research (wish i had Turntable junkies gif)
Fine, I'll do some more research. I admit my ignorance, I'm sure others know more than me. I apologise if anyone was deeply affended. I knew before that dmt was found in many different plants. But I still recognise how cheap it can be to synthesize. But I also realize it's in the human body naturally.
The chemically similar dmt molecule 5-oh-dmt is naturally found in toad venom , as a deterrent, along with other highly toxic compounds. That makes me very cautious about it.
If it's natural I suppose it could be fine. Or maybe not. Now let's move on.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7576436 - 10/30/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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a chemical's "safety" level is not determined by its nature, be it synthetic or naturally occurring.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: maggotz]
#7576465 - 10/30/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I believe that God gave us drugs, and the human mind is too complicated for man to just come up with drugs. That's why I trust natural drugs and not synthetic, even if they appear to be safe. Like how I trust natural food, and not some frankenstein gmo to put into my body.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7576474 - 10/30/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Me and my friend both with limited chem smarts extracted about 3 grams of dmt in about 2 weeks. So no its not hard. we used his laundry room.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7576509 - 10/30/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: I believe that God gave us drugs, and the human mind is too complicated for man to just come up with drugs. That's why I trust natural drugs and not synthetic, even if they appear to be safe. Like how I trust natural food, and not some frankenstein gmo to put into my body.
But all the modern synthetic products you use like computer components are just fine?
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Stizzle]
#7576541 - 10/30/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not all of them are fine, it depends on their purpose and means of construction etc, how environment friendly they are.
That's a whole different world then drugs. I'm not putting a computer into my body, and with a computer we know how it works, with the human mind, we hardly know how it works at all. If a computer malfunctions, I'm safe. If my brain malfunctions, I could die.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7576567 - 10/30/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The point I'm trying to make is that you pass off synthetics as untrustworthy, frankenstein, etc. and base your idea of safety off synthetic or natural when you should really be looking at the substance itself... not how it came to be.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7576593 - 10/30/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: I apologise if anyone was deeply affended. I knew before that dmt was found in many different plants. But I still recognise how cheap it can be to synthesize. But I also realize it's in the human body naturally.

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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7576622 - 10/30/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Besides, it's not like we came up with drugs. We just discovered them. There's a huge difference.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Stizzle]
#7576636 - 10/30/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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The point I'm trying to make is that you pass off synthetics as untrustworthy, frankenstein, etc. and base your idea of safety off synthetic or natural when you should really be looking at the substance itself... not how it came to be.
But the substance itself is only relative to the human mind in it's effects on the body. I have to go with God on this one. Scientists barely understand a miniscule portion of the human brain.. After all this time, it's still unknown just how lsd even affects the brain. Going with God is the best thing you can do. We're all ignorant, I'm just less ignorant than others.
Look my original comment was based upon the idea that the stuff on the streets is synthesized , and I've had that impression for a while. But if people are naturally extracting, then I suppose it could be safe. Or not.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7576656 - 10/30/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If god gave us the ability to synthesize... is it not natural?
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Stizzle]
#7576842 - 10/30/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Stizzle said: If god gave us the ability to synthesize... is it not natural?
Peanut Butter and jelly sandwiches are pretty good anywho...
What about a pot roast? Do you consider that synthetic? I mean I guarantee you can't walk out into nature and find a pot roast... It takes precursors, such as beef, carrots, and other sources of wholesome goodness to create a pot roast. Because it isn't found in nature is it synthetic? Everything on this planet is created from nature. I don't see how you can call some things synthetic, and others natural. Everything you see had to come from someplace on this earth anywho...
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: boletusoftruth]
#7576911 - 10/30/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I personally don't' think DMT would be a good "initiation" substance for someone starting out in their psychedelic journey.
For one, it's just so very different then many other things (such as shrooms, mesc, lsd, etc.) It could be very confusing for the person, not having any idea what tripping is even remotely like and then jumping in with DMT.
second, smoking it can be tricky and it can hurt. Especially for a first timer. This may turn them off for good. I've had a few people say they will never do DMT again after their first time because of how harsh it was for them.
I think a 1.5 or 2 gram dose of shrooms would be a better choice. This will give them the "mind experience" of what tripping is like, and perhaps a few visuals too boot. I think the person will leave with a lot more to chew on, then compared to a DMT trip.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: F1234K]
#7576993 - 10/30/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, DMT is a piece of piss to extract. Ive had no chemistry experience except basic high scool classes, and I yielded a decent ammount of great product on my first attempt. Quantum Tantra's tek is really easy for a beginner to follow and has step by step instructions with illustrated diagrams.
As for it being a good intro to psychedelics? I belive it definately is. If someone tries acid for the first time and fuckin hates it then they are gonna have to suffer for some hours, but if they dont like the DMT experience then they only have to suffer for a few minutes. Also the DMT trip is so fuckin bizzare and powerful most other psychedelics (in normal doses) will seem mild in comparison. Fuck the low dose though, I would go straight in with 50mg, not low but not too high either, and enough to experience the full effects. By the time you realise where you are again you are coming down anyway.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: enesi]
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: enesi]
#7577221 - 10/30/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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best intro to psychedelics is
eating a lot of fat dissolved THC and other canabinoids in a cake or brownie.
some people who smoke every day don't even know of this experience. its pretty trippy.
i suggest such a mild introduction in comparison and think that this way is much safer than jumping into the deep end, even if only for a couple minutes. I know that when i and many others i know first experienced a good mushroom trip we were not prepared in any way and struggled. im sure the mindfuck on dmt is enormous if im wrong somebody correct me.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: pong]
#7577556 - 10/30/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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pong said: im sure the mindfuck on dmt is enormous if im wrong somebody correct me.
Yeah it is enormous, but your ego is so utterly dissolved that you dont really know anything about it until it's almost over.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: pong]
#7577910 - 10/30/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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best intro to psychedelics is
eating a lot of fat dissolved THC and other canabinoids in a cake or brownie.
From what I've read, which is a substantial amount more then what I've studied on dmt,eating cannabis like that is kind of like fly agaric, it's heaven or hell. A good book (I highly recommend it) "cannabis : a history." by martin booth. It has a number of pages on those types of experiences I can't seem to find online.
I would say eating weed to hallucinate could be fine, not sure though. I know it's had really good results and really bad results. I just wonder because I've heard that when you eat a lot like that, you get a toxic compounds you wouldn't get when smoking.
If you've seen about that cop who ate weed brownies, it's a laugh for a moment, but if you understand what a cannabis trip is like, then it really makes sense. I can honestly see how he could be convinced he thought he was dying.
The other day I had a strange experience after smoking too much weed. I don't want to get too much into it at the moment, but I'll just say it really messed with my head and it was frightening and included mental and visual hallucinations. I couldn't figure out if it was something spiritual that broke through, or if I was just totally hallucinating. I havn't tried mushrooms yet, but it's really made me stop and wonder If I can handle it.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7578249 - 10/30/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jonathan_206, please just stop posting. Your logic on DMT completely eludes me.
DMT = DMT = DMT, synthetic or not it's still the same molecule. It isn't DMT-ish (well perhaps DMT-ish could be 5-meo-DMT but whatever that isnt the point) And just because its natural doesn't mean its safe/any better. My example would be smallpox. Natural? Yes. Safe? Hell no.
BTW I have yet to try DMT (Soon though, just gotta order the mimosa) you best be damn sure your measurements are accurate unless you want to pwn them.
I do agree with the fact that since the duration is so short, they wouldn't be screwed for hours on end.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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best intro to psychedelics is
eating a lot of fat dissolved THC and other canabinoids in a cake or brownie.
I've heard that when you eat a lot like that, you get a toxic compounds you wouldn't get when smoking.
dude whoever told you that is a reTARD 
when we make cannabis infused oil we only get the fat soluble material from the cannabis. there are no extra toxins and no carcinogens(nothing is burning) in this way of consuming cannabis.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: pong]
#7578665 - 10/30/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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let me state for the record that no newb at psychedelics should have their ego torn from them forcibly.
the best is to let it go on some nice shroomies and brownies.
The ultimate candy.
Powdered shrooms mixed with chocolate infused with THC!!!!!
i cant wait till the opportunity comes for me to make them!!!
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: pong]
#7578762 - 10/30/07 10:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Look up Scopolamine. 100% Natural called the zombie Drug. Makes you not trust nature so much. Especially when there is perfectly harmless LSD that is 0% natural.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: learningtofly]
#7578968 - 10/30/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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learningtofly said: DMT = DMT = DMT, synthetic or not it's still the same molecule.
Thats what i've been telling him! If it is changed in any way by being synthesized and is not the same as natural, THEN IS NOT DMT ANYMORE! (IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER SYNTHESIZED OR NOT)
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: hendriXperience]
#7579313 - 10/31/07 02:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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hendriXperience said: Look up Scopolamine. 100% Natural called the zombie Drug. Makes you not trust nature so much. Especially when there is perfectly harmless LSD that is 0% natural.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't lsd come from ergot? Which would make it natural, if only a little bit.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Flugon_Nine]
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Yeah LSD is pretty natural. But then again most everything comes from a natural source if you really break it down.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7580144 - 10/31/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said: I have to go with God on this one. Scientists barely understand a miniscule portion of the human brain.. After all this time, it's still unknown just how lsd even affects the brain. Going with God is the best thing you can do. We're all ignorant, I'm just less ignorant than others.
Dude, you believe in GOD, haven't even TRIED mushrooms, and you're LESS ignorant than others? Get the fuck off the net with this fuckin' blasphemy.
To fucking hear someone say that they're LESS ignorant while they believe in God makes me want to puke all over you and anyone who might think you're cool.
Believing in God is fucking ACCEPTING ignorance, not figuring out the world for yourself, just fucking accepting what some old ass altar-boy-lovin' priest told you.
Haven't even fuckin' tripped on shrooms, thinking you're "breaking your spiritual parts" when you smoke too much weed, and you're gonna come on here and say you're less ignorant than anyone...
MY WEED BROKE MY SPIRITUAL PARTS, MAN! I NEED TO GO PRAY SO GOD WILL FORGIVE ME!
I'm so fucking pissed off now. Go fucking pray all fucking night you god damn jesus freak.
I fucking hate jonathan_206.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
#7580668 - 10/31/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Wow, this topic went to shit pretty fast...hijack in progress, lol
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: learningtofly]
#7580772 - 10/31/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jonathan_206, please just stop posting. Your logic on DMT completely eludes me.
DMT = DMT = DMT, synthetic or not it's still the same molecule. It isn't DMT-ish (well perhaps DMT-ish could be 5-meo-DMT but whatever that isnt the point) And just because its natural doesn't mean its safe/any better. My example would be smallpox. Natural? Yes. Safe? *** no.
Simple minded reasoning. Your verbally abusive language isn't justified either. I may not know as much as others or if I am wrong, no reason to talk to me that way. If it's synthetic it is not necessarily the same molecule, as I have already pointed out. You're just so eager to jump on me arn't you? Small pox? Small pox is a disease? That's not good logic.
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I've heard that when you eat a lot like that, you get a toxic compounds you wouldn't get when smoking.
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dude whoever told you that is a *** 
when we make cannabis infused oil we only get the fat soluble material from the cannabis. there are no extra toxins and no carcinogens(nothing is burning) in this way of consuming cannabis.
No you are wrong. I have read up on this substantially. When you consume cannabis your body doesn't process it the same way. You can get seriously sick, and it is something that has been recorded numerous times. It's not something I just came up with. Go read the book I mentioned.
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jonathan_206 said: I have to go with God on this one. Scientists barely understand a miniscule portion of the human brain.. After all this time, it's still unknown just how lsd even affects the brain. Going with God is the best thing you can do. We're all ignorant, I'm just less ignorant than others.
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Dude, you believe in GOD, haven't even TRIED mushrooms, and you're LESS ignorant than others? Get the lalala off the net with this ***' blasphemy.
Why don't you get off the net with your verbally abusive language. Yes, I have'nt tried them, and if you have a problem with that you can feel free to give me some, otherwise please don't mention it again. If you're using this opportunity to "pwn" me because I'm a "noob" please refrain, you just show how immature and ignorant you are.
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To lalala hear someone say that they're LESS ignorant while they believe in God makes me want to puke all over you and anyone who might think you're cool.
You talk this way to people and you tell ME to get off the net? What did I do to you?
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Believing in God is lalala ACCEPTING ignorance, not figuring out the world for yourself, just *** accepting what some old *** altar-boy-lovin' priest told you.
The same people who tout this simpled minded view of God are some of the stupidest, most ignorant scum on the face of the planet. What if searching for God IS figuring things out for myself? Ever thought of that? I'd don't want to hear a response here. Arguing with people like you is not worthwhile anyways.
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Haven't even lalala' tripped on shrooms, thinking you're "breaking your spiritual parts" when you smoke too much weed, and you're gonna come on here and say you're less ignorant than anyone...
Yes, I do. It wasn't meant to be an insult, I don't know why you took it to be. It has nothing to do with experiencing drugs..it has to do with a bigger world view, and i wasn't trying to blow it up into a debate. Some people react differently to drugs. Honestly I've never had this experience like this when I was younger. I'm still trying to figure it out.
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MY WEED BROKE MY SPIRITUAL PARTS, MAN! I NEED TO GO PRAY SO GOD WILL FORGIVE ME!
You're really behaving like an idiot now.
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I'm so lalala *** off now. Go *** pray all *** night you god *** jesus freak.
I lalala hate jonathan_206.
Please go heal yourself from your emotional anguish and learn some people skills and some common sense while you're at, and Love too. God Bless you and your whole family.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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Jonathan_206, please just stop posting. Your logic on DMT completely eludes me.
DMT = DMT = DMT, synthetic or not it's still the same molecule. It isn't DMT-ish (well perhaps DMT-ish could be 5-meo-DMT but whatever that isnt the point) And just because its natural doesn't mean its safe/any better. My example would be smallpox. Natural? Yes. Safe? *** no.
Simple minded reasoning. Your verbally abusive language isn't justified either. I may not know as much as others or if I am wrong, no reason to talk to me that way. If it's synthetic it is not necessarily the same molecule, as I have already pointed out.
Could you please explain how synthesized dimethyltryptamine is different in molecular structure then naturally occuring dimethyltryptamine?
Strassman used synthetic DMT for his human studies, and I'm sure if there were SUCH a significant difference, that he would have done some sort of comparison study between the two.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: enesi]
#7581900 - 10/31/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know a whole lot about dmt, but I know for a fact that a synthetic molecule does not have to be exactly the same to get grouped into the dmt "family". It's kind of like animal naming. There's a kind of animals and then different variational groups within that kind. But this is all often arbitrary classification...
I'm not a chemist so I can't tell you the exact minute differences, but I used the example before of Hoffman and lsd. Hoffman synthesized MANY types of Lsd before he discovered lsd 25. What that means is it was close enough to put it in the same group, and they may have had similar effects, but it was not the exact same thing.
This btw, is one reason I think why designer drugs are notorious for going bad, because the molecule somewhere along the way might have had some change where it might even be minute, but it can have serious health risks.
Anyways, just go on, carry on with the original topic of this thread. I certainly didn't ask for all the attention.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7594515 - 11/04/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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holy crap i went away for a few days and wasn't expecting this 
well I've been having a bunch of low dose DMT lately (non synthetic if anyone wants to know )and I'm thinking that its probably too short , too abrupt and has too big an instant stress reaction to be a good first psychedelic.
Soon I will try the breakthrough doses and see what the other side is like, btw.
It's too bad there is no hour long psychedelic that someone could take at a low dose to see what it's like, just to get their feet wet, you know?
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
#7594547 - 11/04/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I recommend mescaline....or possible a 2c compound. Mescaline doesn't have such a mind fuck on low doses and 2c well you can just do a little to see how it is.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: strangladesh]
#7594565 - 11/04/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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2cb is a very easy to handle substance. although the clear-headiness leaves a bit to be desired. I prefer the introspection and deep spiritual, consciousness expanding properties of the naturals. (shrooms, lsd, mesc, dmt, etc.)
but for a first timers..2cb or 2ce are both pretty nice to start with.
My suggestion would be one of the following 2gr cubensis 10-20mg of 2ce 10-20mg of 2cb
that is of course, if you can get the RC's. Not everyone is blessed to have knowledge of a good source for them.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: enesi]
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enesi said: 2cb is a very easy to handle substance. although the clear-headiness leaves a bit to be desired. I prefer the introspection and deep spiritual, consciousness expanding properties of the naturals. (shrooms, lsd, mesc, dmt, etc.)
but for a first timers..2cb or 2ce are both pretty nice to start with.
My suggestion would be one of the following 2gr cubensis 10-20mg of 2ce 10-20mg of 2cb
that is of course, if you can get the RC's. Not everyone is blessed to have knowledge of a good source for them.
my friend found some chinese RC suppliers but is too chicken to order from them. Sure is tempting though
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
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a lot of the foreign big time manufacturing places require some credentials before they will sell to you. Most of them don't sell to individuals, and only ship to a known research company or university. So you may need to get your ducks in a row before you attempt to engange in any business. They should give you any requirements up front.
I think i've said too much, try to stick to domestic sources, they got it figured out and you dont' have to worry about customs, and having to buy large qty at a time.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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jonathan_206 said: I don't know a whole lot about dmt, but I know for a fact that a synthetic molecule does not have to be exactly the same to get grouped into the dmt "family". It's kind of like animal naming. There's a kind of animals and then different variational groups within that kind. But this is all often arbitrary classification...
Ok you're right and wrong, there ARE many types of DMT but you really need to do some research. When people here say "DMT" without anything else in front of it (5-MeO for example) they are talking about N,N DMT which is a very specific molecule. Its like H2O is H2O is H2O. Two hydrogens, one oxygen arranged in a very specific way. N,N DMT is a bit more complex but the same idea applies, if it is even ONE atom off then its not N,N DMT.
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jonathan_206 said: I'm not a chemist so I can't tell you the exact minute differences, but I used the example before of Hoffman and lsd. Hoffman synthesized MANY types of Lsd before he discovered lsd 25. What that means is it was close enough to put it in the same group, and they may have had similar effects, but it was not the exact same thing.
Again when people talk about LSD, they are talking about LSD-25. And again a very very specific molecule that is synthesized in a very very specific way. If you sold any other LSD analog on the street you would be accused of ripping people off and something violent would probably happen.
Also you said so yourself that you're not a chemist. So you have no way of evaluating any information you hear for truth or not and I hate to break it to you but what you currently believe is way off base.
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jonathan_206 said: This btw, is one reason I think why designer drugs are notorious for going bad, because the molecule somewhere along the way might have had some change where it might even be minute, but it can have serious health risks.
designer drugs are notorious for being bad (they don't "go" bad, they were that way to begin with) because they are some one elses favorite combination of MDMA, 2C*, meth, and various other RC's and stimulants which may or may not also be you're favorite combination and the pills ingredients get misrepresented by not-so-honest and forgetful drug dealers as other things or other amounts. So while you think you were just getting 65 mg of MDMA, you instead get some random dose of 2CB and meth. That and the media needed stories on slow news days back in the late 80's early 90's. (and still do, this year they were warning parents where i live about meth that is flavored and colored like candy, as if someone would give meth away for free to anyone much less kids)
I don't mean to offend you but you're lack of knowledge and the way you feel you are absolutely correct is shocking and scary for someone on boards such as these. You need some good shrooms or acid to crack that little mind of yours imo
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
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Sorry to be so blunt but you clearly know nothing about chemistry and you are making an idiot of yourself.
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This makes no sense. The drug DMT is not a family, and so doing DMT does not mean you are doing any drug in a huge family of chemicals. DMT is only one specific chemical, which stands for n,n-dimethyltryptamine. Yes it is in a family of chemicals (as are ALL chemicals) which are called tryptamines, and some tryptamines are more like DMT (n,n-dimethyltryptamine) than others, but there are no arbitrary classifications. There is one specific chemical structure that a molecule must have to be called DMT, and anything similar to it is NOT dmt. THere is only 1 DMT, and it is the exact same chemical in nature and in the lab.
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I'm not a chemist so I can't tell you the exact minute differences, but I used the example before of Hoffman and lsd. Hoffman synthesized MANY types of Lsd before he discovered lsd 25. What that means is it was close enough to put it in the same group, and they may have had similar effects, but it was not the exact same thing.
NO there is only 1 LSD. The others were lysergic acid chemicals, similar in structure, but NONE of the others were LSD (lysergic acid diethylamide). The 25 just means that it was the 25th lysergic acid that he made. These are different chemicals...they have similar structures but they are NOT the same. That is like saying the words "Dog" and "Dot" are the same because they are similar. They are not. These drugs are not the same things. DMT made in a lab is the exact same chemical as DMT found in nature. Albert Hoffman only made 1 LSD...the others are not still LSD's. There is only 1 LSD, there is only 1 DMT.
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I certainly didn't ask for all the attention.
Move on.
We are all focusing on this because you keep continually flooding misinformation on a board that is designed to clear up ignorance regarding this type of subject. DO SOME RESEARCH and learn something about chemistry before you go on these rants of misinformation.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Help on the Way]
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: maggotz]
#7596527 - 11/04/07 09:21 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have done research and I'm not a chemist, but I research what I talk about.
I have done research and it said hoffman synthesized MANY types of lsd.
And this isn't something that was new to me either, I knew they could have little differences.
I still hold my case.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7599530 - 11/05/07 06:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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jonathan_206 said:
I have done research and it said hoffman synthesized MANY types of lsd.
omg no he didnt he only made 1 LSD...the others werent LSD they are lysergic acid derivitives but NOT LSD....wow
and as for being opposed to synthetic drugs...i really hope you never take tylenol, or any synthetic lab made antibiotics...
as for the original post, i cant even imagine trying DMT as my first psychedelic. Even low doses are pretty intense feeling, though nothing near a breakthrough. But the positive is that it is very short lasting. The thing is that i am not sure how much insight would be achieved from the low doses of dmt....
i think a low dose of shrooms would be the best start...but that is just my opinion
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Edited by Help on the Way (11/05/07 06:14 PM)
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: enesi]
#7611597 - 11/08/07 03:07 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Oh there are ones that ship...trust me...
Again lets not talk about what is natural...lsd i not any more natural then 2ce
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: sleepy]
#7621326 - 11/11/07 09:12 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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sleepy said: as to the question of dose, i think its important to make the experience as enjoyable (cough) as possible, but relize that with a massive dose, there won't be a chance for fear to be there because the ego is totally dead. its the middle doses where people feel strong effects and sense where this may lead... thats where bad trips tend to happen. but then again, like it's been said, in the right environment a bad trip is good. good luck with guiding, that's the best part imo, to see the person on their first/important voyage
Yep. Thats why I was saying I like to give 'em a strong dosage the first time out. (i think)Letting go of your ego is the first important lesson in psychedelic travels. Well said .
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: tihkal]
#7621335 - 11/11/07 09:16 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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the good thing about a strong blast of DMT is that there is no time to really fight the ego loss....high doses of acid or mushrooms can get really scary during the long journey toward ego loss until it is finally reached
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
#7621376 - 11/11/07 09:33 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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lysergic acid diethylamide, N,N-diethyl-D-lysergamide
There's only one LSD!
"LSD (LSD-25) is an ergoline derivative. It is commonly produced from reacting diethylamine with an activated form of lysergic acid. Activating reagents include phosphoryl chloride [52] and peptide coupling reagents [53]. Lysergic acid is made by alkaline hydrolysis of lysergamides like ergotamine, a substance derived from the ergot fungus on rye, or, theoretically, from ergine (lysergic acid amide, LSA), a compound that is found in morning glory (Ipomoea tricolor) and hawaiian baby woodrose (Argyreia nervosa) seeds"-wp
There are four possible isomers of LSD. iso-LSD, L-LSD, L-iso-LSD, and LSD. Only LSD is psychoactive.
The difference in LSD is really only the way it is stored, handled, and taken. By taken I mean that 4 drops of liquid from a properly handled container in the freezer is going to be a hell of a lot different trip than four hits on a sugar cube that has been in your backpack for a week. LSD is very unstable and fragile. Light and heat cause it to decompose rapidly. It is easy to fuck it up if the rules are not followed. Thats why I don't like blotter much either. That's what I think anyway.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Help on the Way]
#7621384 - 11/11/07 09:37 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah It's an insane rocket blast straight into universal consciousness!
"Load universe into cannon, point at brain, Fire!" -TM
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
#7622068 - 11/11/07 01:52 PM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Personally, I think if you're going to do DMT (first time psychedelic or not) you should take a high dose and break through. If you're gonna do DMT do a lot. It's better to be completely out of your head than not breaking through and having the weird feelings of DMT, but still kinda aware of everything, you know?
This is just my opinion though.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Help on the Way]
#7624238 - 11/12/07 12:44 AM (16 years, 2 months ago) |
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Help on the Way said: the good thing about a strong blast of DMT is that there is no time to really fight the ego loss....high doses of acid or mushrooms can get really scary during the long journey toward ego loss until it is finally reached
"I think psychedelics are safer in large doses(i'm not talking about thumbprint sizes though) as far as bad trips go. They override your ego's defenses in large enough doses. you can't think your having a bad trip because you can't think at all beacause there is no you. Terrance McKenna and Andrew Weil MD have said this also." -Chinacat72 Come back ChinaCat!
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
#11704832 - 12/23/09 08:52 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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explain more.
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: ehem]
#11704846 - 12/23/09 08:56 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: tihkal]
#11705000 - 12/23/09 09:33 AM (14 years, 1 month ago) |
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tihkal said: Yeah It's an insane rocket blast straight into universal consciousness!
"Load universe into cannon, point at brain, Fire!" -TM
You mean -AW
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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Helixx]
#14780877 - 07/17/11 09:14 AM (12 years, 6 months ago) |
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The electrons would'nt be working the same way or something like that. I read that somewhere.
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