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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: enesi]
    #7577221 - 10/30/07 03:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

best intro to psychedelics is

eating a lot of fat dissolved THC and other canabinoids in a cake or brownie.

some people who smoke every day don't even know of this experience. its pretty trippy.

i suggest such a mild introduction in comparison and think that this way is much safer than jumping into the deep end, even if only for a couple minutes. I know that when i and many others i know first experienced a good mushroom trip we were not prepared in any way and struggled. im sure the mindfuck on dmt is enormous if im wrong somebody correct me.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: pong]
    #7577556 - 10/30/07 04:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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im sure the mindfuck on dmt is enormous if im wrong somebody correct me.




Yeah it is enormous, but your ego is so utterly dissolved that you dont really know anything about it until it's almost over.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: pong]
    #7577910 - 10/30/07 06:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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best intro to psychedelics is

eating a lot of fat dissolved THC and other canabinoids in a cake or brownie.




From what I've read, which is a substantial amount more then what I've studied on dmt,eating cannabis like that is kind of like fly agaric, it's heaven or hell. A good book (I highly recommend it) "cannabis : a history." by martin booth. It has a number of pages on those types of experiences I can't seem to find online.

I would say eating weed to hallucinate could be fine, not sure though. I know it's had really good results and really bad results. I just wonder because I've heard that when you eat a lot like that, you get a toxic compounds you wouldn't get when smoking.

If you've seen about that cop who ate weed brownies, it's a laugh for
a moment, but if you understand what a cannabis trip is like, then it really makes sense. I can honestly see how he could be convinced he thought he was dying.

The other day I had a strange experience after smoking too much weed. I don't want to get too much into it at the moment, but I'll just say it really messed with my head and it was frightening and included mental and visual hallucinations. I couldn't figure out if it was something spiritual that broke through, or if I was just totally hallucinating. I havn't tried mushrooms yet, but it's really made me stop and wonder If I can handle it.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7578249 - 10/30/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Jonathan_206, please just stop posting. Your logic on DMT completely eludes me.

DMT = DMT = DMT, synthetic or not it's still the same molecule. It isn't DMT-ish (well perhaps DMT-ish could be 5-meo-DMT but whatever that isnt the point) And just because its natural doesn't mean its safe/any better. My example would be smallpox. Natural? Yes. Safe? Hell no.

BTW I have yet to try DMT (Soon though, just gotta order the mimosa) you best be damn sure your measurements are accurate unless you want to pwn them.

I do agree with the fact that since the duration is so short, they wouldn't be screwed for hours on end.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7578649 - 10/30/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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best intro to psychedelics is

eating a lot of fat dissolved THC and other canabinoids in a cake or brownie.





I've heard that when you eat a lot like that, you get a toxic compounds you wouldn't get when smoking.







dude whoever told you that is a reTARD :thumbdown:

when we make cannabis infused oil we only get the fat soluble material from the cannabis.  there are no extra toxins and no carcinogens(nothing is burning) in this way of consuming cannabis.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: pong]
    #7578665 - 10/30/07 10:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

let me state for the record that no newb at psychedelics should have their ego torn from them forcibly.

the best is to let it go on some nice shroomies and brownies.

The ultimate candy.

Powdered shrooms mixed with chocolate infused with THC!!!!!


i cant wait till the opportunity comes for me to make them!!!


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: pong]
    #7578762 - 10/30/07 10:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Look up Scopolamine. 100% Natural called the zombie Drug. Makes you not trust nature so much. Especially when there is perfectly harmless LSD that is 0% natural.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7578968 - 10/30/07 11:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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DMT = DMT = DMT, synthetic or not it's still the same molecule.




Thats what i've been telling him! If it is changed in any way by being synthesized and is not the same as natural, THEN IS NOT DMT ANYMORE! (IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER SYNTHESIZED OR NOT)


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: hendriXperience]
    #7579313 - 10/31/07 02:48 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Look up Scopolamine. 100% Natural called the zombie Drug. Makes you not trust nature so much. Especially when there is perfectly harmless LSD that is 0% natural.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't lsd come from ergot? Which would make it natural, if only a little bit.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Flugon_Nine]
    #7580066 - 10/31/07 10:24 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah LSD is pretty natural. But then again most everything comes from a natural source if you really break it down.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7580144 - 10/31/07 10:42 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I have to go with God on this one. Scientists barely understand a miniscule portion of the human brain.. After all this time, it's still unknown just how lsd even affects the brain. Going with God is the best thing you can do. We're all ignorant, I'm just less ignorant than others.





Dude, you believe in GOD, haven't even TRIED mushrooms, and you're LESS ignorant than others? Get the fuck off the net with this fuckin' blasphemy.

To fucking hear someone say that they're LESS ignorant while they believe in God makes me want to puke all over you and anyone who might think you're cool.

Believing in God is fucking ACCEPTING ignorance, not figuring out the world for yourself, just fucking accepting what some old ass altar-boy-lovin' priest told you.

Haven't even fuckin' tripped on shrooms, thinking you're "breaking your spiritual parts" when you smoke too much weed, and you're gonna come on here and say you're less ignorant than anyone...

MY WEED BROKE MY SPIRITUAL PARTS, MAN! I NEED TO GO PRAY SO GOD WILL FORGIVE ME!

I'm so fucking pissed off now. Go fucking pray all fucking night you god damn jesus freak.



I fucking hate jonathan_206.

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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Ell Ess Bree]
    #7580668 - 10/31/07 01:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Wow, this topic went to shit pretty fast...hijack in progress, lol


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7580772 - 10/31/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

learningtofly:


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Jonathan_206, please just stop posting. Your logic on DMT completely eludes me.

DMT = DMT = DMT, synthetic or not it's still the same molecule. It isn't DMT-ish (well perhaps DMT-ish could be 5-meo-DMT but whatever that isnt the point) And just because its natural doesn't mean its safe/any better. My example would be smallpox. Natural? Yes. Safe? *** no.




Simple minded reasoning. Your verbally abusive language isn't justified either. I may not know as much as others or if I am wrong, no reason to talk to me that way. If it's synthetic it is not necessarily the same molecule, as I have already pointed out. You're just so eager to jump on me arn't you? Small pox? Small pox is a disease? That's not good logic.




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    I've heard that when you eat a lot like that, you get a toxic compounds you wouldn't get when smoking.






pong:


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dude whoever told you that is a *** :thumbdown:

when we make cannabis infused oil we only get the fat soluble material from the cannabis. there are no extra toxins and no carcinogens(nothing is burning) in this way of consuming cannabis.







No you are wrong. I have read up on this substantially. When you consume cannabis your body doesn't process it the same way. You can get seriously sick, and it is something that has been recorded numerous times. It's not something I just came up with. Go read the book I mentioned.


   
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    I have to go with God on this one. Scientists barely understand a miniscule portion of the human brain.. After all this time, it's still unknown just how lsd even affects the brain. Going with God is the best thing you can do. We're all ignorant, I'm just less ignorant than others.




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Dude, you believe in GOD, haven't even TRIED mushrooms, and you're LESS ignorant than others? Get the lalala off the net with this ***' blasphemy.




Why don't you get off the net with your verbally abusive language. Yes, I have'nt tried them, and if you have a problem with that you can feel free to give me some, otherwise please don't mention it again. If you're using this opportunity to "pwn" me because I'm a "noob" please refrain, you just show how immature and ignorant you are.

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To lalala hear someone say that they're LESS ignorant while they believe in God makes me want to puke all over you and anyone who might think you're cool.




You talk this way to people and you tell ME to get off the net? What did I do to you?

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Believing in God is lalala ACCEPTING ignorance, not figuring out the world for yourself, just *** accepting what some old *** altar-boy-lovin' priest told you.




The same people who tout this simpled minded  view of God are some of the stupidest, most ignorant scum on the face of the planet. What if searching for God IS figuring things out for myself? Ever thought of that? I'd don't want to hear a response here. Arguing with people like you is not worthwhile anyways.

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Haven't even lalala' tripped on shrooms, thinking you're "breaking your spiritual parts" when you smoke too much weed, and you're gonna come on here and say you're less ignorant than anyone...




Yes, I do. It wasn't meant to be an insult, I don't know why you took it to be. It has nothing to do with experiencing drugs..it has to do with a bigger world view, and i wasn't trying to blow it up into a debate. Some people react differently to drugs. Honestly I've never had this experience like this when I was younger. I'm still trying to figure it out.

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MY WEED BROKE MY SPIRITUAL PARTS, MAN! I NEED TO GO PRAY SO GOD WILL FORGIVE ME!




You're really behaving like an idiot now.

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I'm so lalala *** off now. Go *** pray all *** night you god *** jesus freak.

I lalala hate jonathan_206.




Please go heal yourself from your emotional anguish and learn some people skills and some common sense while you're at, and Love too. God Bless you and your whole family.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7580906 - 10/31/07 02:02 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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learningtofly:


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Jonathan_206, please just stop posting. Your logic on DMT completely eludes me.

DMT = DMT = DMT, synthetic or not it's still the same molecule. It isn't DMT-ish (well perhaps DMT-ish could be 5-meo-DMT but whatever that isnt the point) And just because its natural doesn't mean its safe/any better. My example would be smallpox. Natural? Yes. Safe? *** no.




Simple minded reasoning. Your verbally abusive language isn't justified either. I may not know as much as others or if I am wrong, no reason to talk to me that way. If it's synthetic it is not necessarily the same molecule, as I have already pointed out.





Could you please explain how synthesized dimethyltryptamine is different in molecular structure then naturally occuring dimethyltryptamine?

Strassman used synthetic DMT for his human studies, and I'm sure if there were SUCH a significant difference, that he would have done some sort of comparison study between the two.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: enesi]
    #7581900 - 10/31/07 06:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know a whole lot about dmt, but I know for a fact that a synthetic molecule does not have to be exactly the same to get grouped into the dmt "family". It's kind of like animal naming. There's a kind of animals and then different variational groups within that kind. But this is all often arbitrary classification...

I'm not a chemist so I can't tell you the exact minute differences, but I used the example before of Hoffman and lsd. Hoffman synthesized MANY types of Lsd before he discovered lsd 25. What that means is it was close enough to put it in the same group, and they may have had similar effects, but it was not the exact same thing.

This btw, is one reason I think why designer drugs are notorious for going bad, because the molecule somewhere along the way might have had some change where it might even be minute, but it can have serious health risks.

Anyways, just go on, carry on with the original topic of this thread. I certainly didn't ask for all the attention.

Move on.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7594515 - 11/04/07 12:55 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

holy crap i went away for a few days and wasn't expecting this :shocked:

well I've been having a bunch of low dose DMT lately (non synthetic if anyone wants to know :cool: )and I'm thinking that its probably too short , too abrupt and has too big an instant stress reaction to be a good first psychedelic.

Soon I will try the breakthrough doses and see what the other side is like, btw.

It's too bad there is no hour long psychedelic that someone could take at a low dose to see what it's like, just to get their feet wet, you know?


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
    #7594547 - 11/04/07 01:05 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I recommend mescaline....or possible a 2c compound. Mescaline doesn't have such a mind fuck on low doses and 2c well you can just do a little to see how it is.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: strangladesh]
    #7594565 - 11/04/07 01:10 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

2cb is a very easy to handle substance. although the clear-headiness leaves a bit to be desired. I prefer the introspection and deep spiritual, consciousness expanding properties of the naturals. (shrooms, lsd, mesc, dmt, etc.)

but for a first timers..2cb or 2ce are both pretty nice to start with.

My suggestion would be one of the following
2gr cubensis
10-20mg of 2ce
10-20mg of 2cb

that is of course, if you can get the RC's. Not everyone is blessed to have knowledge of a good source for them.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: enesi]
    #7594774 - 11/04/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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2cb is a very easy to handle substance. although the clear-headiness leaves a bit to be desired. I prefer the introspection and deep spiritual, consciousness expanding properties of the naturals. (shrooms, lsd, mesc, dmt, etc.)

but for a first timers..2cb or 2ce are both pretty nice to start with.

My suggestion would be one of the following
2gr cubensis
10-20mg of 2ce
10-20mg of 2cb

that is of course, if you can get the RC's. Not everyone is blessed to have knowledge of a good source for them.




my friend found some chinese RC suppliers but is too chicken to order from them. Sure is tempting though :sun:


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
    #7594896 - 11/04/07 02:59 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

a lot of the foreign big time manufacturing places require some credentials before they will sell to you. Most of them don't sell to individuals, and only ship to a known research company or university. So you may need to get your ducks in a row before you attempt to engange in any business. They should give you any requirements up front.

I think i've said too much, try to stick to domestic sources, they got it figured out and you dont' have to worry about customs, and having to buy large qty at a time.


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