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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: sleepy]
    #7575111 - 10/30/07 12:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

synthetic is the same as not.  Curadera Maria Sabina took synthetic mushrooms and said it had the same magic as real mushrooms.:rocket:


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Helixx]
    #7576110 - 10/30/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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That there's a chance that the dmt you get will be synthetic. And synthetic does not mean it will be the exact same molecule.





If it were a different molecule then it would not be a dmt molecule, which it is.




That's not true at all. A synthetic form of a natural molecule does not have to be exactly the same to work. It can and does have slight variations. And there are synthetic molecules that have slight variations like lsd. Hoffman synthesized many variations of lsd.


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Of coarse it can be synthesized. So can psilocybin, mescaline, and THC. Cheaper? No way! If you spend $55 on a pound of MHRB, $8 on a tub of Lye, and $5 on a bottle of naphtha you have 3-4 grams of pure DMT freebase crystals. Or spend $30 on a pound of Caapi vine and $30 on a 1/2 pound of chacruna and you got several full blown ayahuasca journeys. Synthesizing DMT takes tons of money invested in lab equipment, regents, precursors, and years of organic chemistry classes.




Right, it can be made from natural substances, but considering how cheap it is to make mdma for instance, spending 70$ for 4 grams of dmt is not very lucrative at all. The lab equipment is always the most expensive, but once you have then it's possible to be manufactured very cheaply depending upon the chemicals necessary. Dmt is not synthesized often. But it is not sold on the street very other either.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7576215 - 10/30/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think when you 1st introduce someone new to psychedelics, DMT would be an awesome choice because of it's duration. However, since the onset is very fast, this could be frightening. I always get nervous before a DMT trip because it hits me after the 2nd toke and it feels like I really shouldn't take that last toke to really blast off. Someone said to ignore this feeling and take the 3rd toke but while your limbs are going numb and it's coming on like a tsunami, it's hard to convince yourself while you're experiencing this. Anyway, I think the method of smoking and dosage is the key, I took large tokes the last time and afterwards my lungs were all f'ed up the next day... Long slow tokes is the way to go and I think one should really have a trip partner at 1st, so they can take the pipe and torch away once you're smoked all you could because it becomes impossible to hold stuff, etc. The last time I smoked DMT was a few months ago and I still haven't gotten the courage to try another round of this yet. Crazy stuff!


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7576254 - 10/30/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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That's not true at all. A synthetic form of a natural molecule does not have to be exactly the same to work. It can and does have slight variations. And there are synthetic molecules that have slight variations like lsd. Hoffman synthesized many variations of lsd.




All of which were nowhere near as psychoactive as LSD. People with enough chemistry knowledge would know the exact molecule they're making. They don't make a bunch of mixed-matched ones. And they'd make the potent one because that'd obviously be the more lucrative choice.

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Right, it can be made from natural substances, but considering how cheap it is to make mdma for instance, spending 70$ for 4 grams of dmt is not very lucrative at all. The lab equipment is always the most expensive, but once you have then it's possible to be manufactured very cheaply depending upon the chemicals necessary. Dmt is not synthesized often. But it is not sold on the street very other either.





With that knowledge, access to various hard to get chemicals, all that lab at your disposal, you wouldn't waste your time on DMT. This is a very high profile operation, with virtually no payout as there is no real good market for DMT. Only amongst hardcore psychonauts, which usually just extract more than enough from mimosa to be satisfied.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: AlCapwn]
    #7576310 - 10/30/07 11:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

DMT is easy as fuck to extract, takes near no chemical experience, and no equipment (kitchen ware would suffice).

jonathan_206, you don't realise it, but you're making a lot of people feel like smashing their head against a wall.


You'd have to be an idiot if you were synthisizing instead of extracting when your end goal is sale.

Look DMT up, you'll find its one of the most abundant psychoactive chemicals on earth.

I'm not sure why you'd think DMT isn't safe either, just check the color of your spice if you're questioning purity (red = bad)

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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: kybish]
    #7576383 - 10/30/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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DMT is easy as fuck to extract, takes near no chemical experience, and no equipment (kitchen ware would suffice).

jonathan_206, you don't realise it, but you're making a lot of people feel like smashing their head against a wall.


You'd have to be an idiot if you were synthesizing instead of extracting when your end goal is sale.

Look DMT up, you'll find its one of the most abundant psychoactive chemicals on earth.

I'm not sure why you'd think DMT isn't safe either, just check the color of your spice if you're questioning purity (red = bad)

Do ya research (wish i had Turntable junkies gif)




Fine, I'll do some more research. I admit my ignorance, I'm sure others know more than me. I apologise if anyone was deeply affended. I knew before that dmt was found in many different plants. But I still recognise how cheap it can be to synthesize. But I also realize it's in the human body naturally.

The chemically similar dmt molecule 5-oh-dmt is naturally found in toad venom , as a deterrent, along with other highly toxic compounds. That makes me very cautious about it.

If it's natural I suppose it could be fine. Or maybe not. Now let's move on.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7576436 - 10/30/07 12:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

a chemical's "safety" level is not determined by its nature, be it synthetic or naturally occurring.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: maggotz]
    #7576465 - 10/30/07 12:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I believe that God gave us drugs, and the human mind is too complicated
for man to just come up with drugs. That's why I trust natural drugs and not synthetic, even if they appear to be safe. Like how I trust natural food, and not some frankenstein gmo to put into my body.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7576474 - 10/30/07 12:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Me and my friend both with limited chem smarts extracted about 3 grams of dmt in about 2 weeks. So no its not hard. we used his laundry room.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7576509 - 10/30/07 12:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I believe that God gave us drugs, and the human mind is too complicated
for man to just come up with drugs. That's why I trust natural drugs and not synthetic, even if they appear to be safe. Like how I trust natural food, and not some frankenstein gmo to put into my body.




But all the modern synthetic products you use like computer components are just fine?


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Stizzle]
    #7576541 - 10/30/07 12:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not all of them are fine, it depends on their purpose and means of construction etc, how environment friendly they are.

That's a whole different world then drugs. I'm not putting a computer into my body, and with a computer we know how it works, with the human mind, we hardly know how it works at all. If a computer malfunctions, I'm safe. If my brain malfunctions, I could die.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7576567 - 10/30/07 12:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The point I'm trying to make is that you pass off synthetics as untrustworthy, frankenstein, etc. and base your idea of safety off synthetic or natural when you should really be looking at the substance itself... not how it came to be.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7576593 - 10/30/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I apologise if anyone was deeply affended. I knew before that dmt was found in many different plants. But I still recognise how cheap it can be to synthesize.  But I also realize it's in the human body naturally.






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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7576622 - 10/30/07 01:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Besides, it's not like we came up with drugs. We just discovered them. There's a huge difference.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Stizzle]
    #7576636 - 10/30/07 01:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The point I'm trying to make is that you pass off synthetics as untrustworthy, frankenstein, etc. and base your idea of safety off synthetic or natural when you should really be looking at the substance itself... not how it came to be.




But the substance itself is only relative to the human mind in it's effects on the body. I have to go with God on this one. Scientists barely understand a miniscule portion of the human brain.. After all this time, it's still unknown just how lsd even affects the brain. Going with God is the best thing you can do. We're all ignorant, I'm just less ignorant than others.


Look my original comment was based upon the idea that the stuff on the streets is synthesized , and I've had that impression for a while. But if people are naturally extracting, then I
suppose it could be safe. Or not.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7576656 - 10/30/07 01:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If god gave us the ability to synthesize... is it not natural?


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Stizzle]
    #7576842 - 10/30/07 01:57 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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If god gave us the ability to synthesize... is it not natural?




Peanut Butter and jelly sandwiches are pretty good anywho...

What about a pot roast? Do you consider that synthetic? I mean I guarantee you can't walk out into nature and find a pot roast... It takes precursors, such as beef, carrots, and other sources of wholesome goodness to create a pot roast. Because it isn't found in nature is it synthetic? Everything on this planet is created from nature. I don't see how you can call some things synthetic, and others natural. Everything you see had to come from someplace on this earth anywho...


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #7576911 - 10/30/07 02:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I personally don't' think DMT would be a good "initiation" substance for someone starting out in their psychedelic journey.

For one, it's just so very different then many other things (such as shrooms, mesc, lsd, etc.) It could be very confusing for the person, not having any idea what tripping is even remotely like and then jumping in with DMT. 

second, smoking it can be tricky and it can hurt. Especially for a first timer. This may turn them off for good. I've had a few people say they will never do DMT again after their first time because of how harsh it was for them.

I think a 1.5 or 2 gram dose of shrooms would be a better choice. This will give them the "mind experience" of what tripping is like, and perhaps a few visuals too boot. I think the person will leave with a lot more to chew on, then compared to a DMT trip.

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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: F1234K]
    #7576993 - 10/30/07 02:30 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Me and my friend both with limited chem smarts extracted about 3 grams of dmt in about 2 weeks. So no its not hard. we used his laundry room.




Yeah, DMT is a piece of piss to extract. Ive had no chemistry experience except basic high scool classes, and I yielded a decent ammount of great product on my first attempt. Quantum Tantra's tek is really easy for a beginner to follow and has step by step instructions with illustrated diagrams.

As for it being a good intro to psychedelics? I belive it definately is. If someone tries acid for the first time and fuckin hates it then they are gonna have to suffer for some hours, but if they dont like the DMT experience then they only have to suffer for a few minutes. Also the DMT trip is so fuckin bizzare and powerful most other psychedelics (in normal doses) will seem mild in comparison. Fuck the low dose though, I would go straight in with 50mg, not low but not too high either, and enough to experience the full effects. By the time you realise where you are again you are coming down anyway.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: enesi]
    #7577025 - 10/30/07 02:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

they should rename this thread PWN TEH NOOB!!


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