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Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics?
    #7573660 - 10/29/07 05:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I've taken all kinds of psychedelics and lately some people around me seem interested in what I'm doing, and I'm getting the feeling they are going to ask me to introduce them to psychedelics.

So I smoked DMT for the first time the other day, just a low dose to test the waters. The whole thing lasted about 5 minutes, I saw visions for a minute, maybe two.

I was thinking that this experience, but a little bit stronger, would be a great intro into psychedelics, allowing someone to see what it's like without having to have hours of tripping if they don't want to. Just a tiny peak behind the veil...

What do you think?


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
    #7573694 - 10/29/07 05:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

as long as you're careful with the dosage and not give them too much it should be quite an experience.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
    #7573754 - 10/29/07 05:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hey there. i have been using DMT for that exact purpose for a little while now. I have introduced 8 people this way. I had two people with negative experiences. Of these two both felt it was a beneficial experience but were very frightened. They both have been interested in trying again. Everyone else was blown away. I believe DMT is not only a fantastic first trip for people but that it can have major benefits for future experiences. I think if you do this it is best to let people research it first (So you know they want to undertake the experience). I like to make a ritual out of it. Good people. Some great music kinda quiet. A nice conversation until your friend is ready, then... blast off. I like to go for a moderate to strong experience for first timers. I think this is all up to you and how well you know DMT and your friends. Have fun


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: tihkal]
    #7573915 - 10/29/07 06:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I say go for it. The best thing you can do is start small however. And if someone is put off from psychedlics by DMT, just let them know that all psychedlics aren't like that. DMT is kinda of a mini world of its own.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: boletusoftruth]
    #7574008 - 10/29/07 06:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Do you think it gives people enough time to adequately see what the experience is like?

I first 'understood' what psychedelics were on a medium-strong mushroom trip. After that I realized psychedelics and me were always meant to be together :heart:. In that trip all the layers of bullshit were stripped off and I discovered my 'true self'. I don't know if I could have recognized the experience for what it was in 15 minutes.

The obvious benefit with DMT as an intro is its short duration. Perhaps it could even be used to help people who tend to have bad trips, in a moderate, not mind blowing dose of course. People could just experience a bit of it at a time and slowly work through their anxiety, rather having to deal with 4-12 hours of it.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
    #7574031 - 10/29/07 06:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Synthetic drugs are bad. So I wouldn't recommend it ever.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7574043 - 10/29/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i really hope you're joking...


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7574044 - 10/29/07 06:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You think DMT is synthetic? LOL! DMT is is found all throughout nature in hundreds of species of plants and animals including humans.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: muistrue]
    #7574055 - 10/29/07 06:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Haha funny joke.  Or hideous ignorance.. one of the two :smile:


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7574063 - 10/29/07 06:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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jonathan_206 said:
Synthetic drugs are bad. So I wouldn't recommend it ever.




I don't think DMT is a synthetic drug. You can get it from a bunch of different vines by making a brew out of them. Small amounts of it are also present in the human brain in small amounts. I'm pretty sure you can make dmt synthetically, but if endogenous then i dont think its a synthetic chemical


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Freedom]
    #7574109 - 10/29/07 07:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The one drawback of DMT as a first trip, as I see it, would be that if it's really a bizarre trip, it could turn people off, because there's no adjustment period where you get acclimated to the new mental space you're in. I've never taken DMT myself, though, but it's something to consider. My first psychedelic trip was four grams of mushrooms and it was the type of experience I would love for more people to have.


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
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to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
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any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Lion]
    #7574138 - 10/29/07 07:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

short duration is a plus


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7574159 - 10/29/07 07:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you say so :wink:

(I have no idea why I am winking)


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: muistrue]
    #7574433 - 10/29/07 08:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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You think DMT is synthetic? LOL! DMT is is found all throughout nature in hundreds of species of plants and animals including humans.




I am aware of this. But it can also be synthesized can it not? Would it not be cheaper to synthesize?


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7574445 - 10/29/07 08:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what's your point?


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: maggotz]
    #7574521 - 10/29/07 09:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That there's a chance that the dmt you get will be synthetic. And synthetic does not mean it will be the exact same molecule.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7574527 - 10/29/07 09:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it will be the same molecule whether it's in a plant or made in a lab. get your facts straight.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7574600 - 10/29/07 09:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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jonathan_206 said:
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You think DMT is synthetic? LOL! DMT is is found all throughout nature in hundreds of species of plants and animals including humans.




I am aware of this. But it can also be synthesized can it not? Would it not be cheaper to synthesize?




Of coarse it can be synthesized. So can psilocybin, mescaline, and THC. Cheaper? No way! If you spend $55 on a pound of MHRB, $8 on a tub of Lye, and $5 on a bottle of naphtha you have 3-4 grams of pure DMT freebase crystals. Or spend $30 on a pound of Caapi vine and $30 on a 1/2 pound of chacruna and you got several full blown ayahuasca journeys. Synthesizing DMT takes tons of money invested in lab equipment, regents, precursors, and years of organic chemistry classes.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: a_guy_named_ai]
    #7574971 - 10/29/07 11:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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jonathan_206 said:
That there's a chance that the dmt you get will be synthetic. And synthetic does not mean it will be the exact same molecule.



If it were a different molecule then it would not be a dmt molecule, which it is.


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Re: Do you think low dose smoked DMT would be a good intro to psychedelics? [Re: Helixx]
    #7575059 - 10/30/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

as to the question of dose, i think its important to make the experience as enjoyable (cough) as possible, but relize that with a massive dose, there won't be a chance for fear to be there because the ego is totally dead. its the middle doses where people feel strong effects and sense where this may lead...
thats where bad trips tend to happen. but then again, like it's been said, in the right environment a bad trip is good.
good luck with guiding, that's the best part imo, to see the person on their first/important voyage


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