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Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms?
    #7573186 - 10/29/07 02:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hey all!
I've been thinking of what little type of structures to use for a small-scale project. I;m working with the city right now to get everything in order, and one of the things I'll need is that the fruiting room and incubation room are up to hurricane codes. So that makes it difficult to do some of the low-cost options like an insulated PVC hoop house structure (which is what I'd really like to use).

One of the options I've thought of, would be to use one of the commercially available plastic storage sheds. They are definitely up to code, they will never rot or mold, basically waterproof, so they've got some desirable attributes. I'm looking at the Stronghold from Home Depot
http://www.usleisureoutdoor.com/stronghold-index.html
it is 8 x 10 and 8 feet high too. This would be the fruiting room and it even has a full length skylight at the top.

I can use something like the Rubbermaid Big Max http://rubbermaidframeworks.com/rubbermaid/resources/3784-English.pdf
for an incubation room

What are the problems and benefits you all perceive? Thanks!


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
    #7573361 - 10/29/07 03:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I have thought of rigging smaller ones up as steam boxes for substrate. I peeped the large ones out at Home Depot. They look like they can be modified for any phase of the process. Lab, substrate prep room, grow room, incubators what ever.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cheezit]
    #7573567 - 10/29/07 04:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

insulation.. I see a problem.

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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7573767 - 10/29/07 05:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't see a problem with that, they make panel insulation in 4x8 sheets. You could cut it with a razor or use a circular saw. Glue it to the walls. Good stuff comes in 1/2'' to 2" thick.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cheezit]
    #7573920 - 10/29/07 06:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The insulation would need to be waterproof. Those hardbacked sheets I've seen have foil on one side and are compressed fiberglass, which absorbs water. Perhaps styrofoam? But then it's a fire hazzard.
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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7574116 - 10/29/07 07:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Insulation would definitely be nice. Maybe I could use the foam spray insulation.

Alternatively, I was thinking of putting up some 65% shade cloth above the sheds and maybe running misters outside, under the shade cloth, misting the sheds and surrounding areas lightly when it gets too hot. Temps should be 60-80 from late November to mid March, so I probably won't have to do too much in the way of heating/cooling.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
    #7574220 - 10/29/07 07:46 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I bought a 10x20 carport that I am going to cover with plastic, and insulate with the standard home insulation (costs about 25 cents a square foot, which is pretty cheap), and then cover with another layer of plastic. I'll also pour a concrete slab and install one row of cinder blocks to raise it up a bit.

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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #7574690 - 10/29/07 09:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The one i was thinking of is used for masonry, not the compressed fiber glass but this polyurethane foam. Kind of hard,dense, and smooth.  On the expensive side.  Yeah a fire hazard!:onfire:

I have seen the spray foam used with good results.  Just collects algae after a while.  Nothing wrong with algae imo.


Cryo watch out for condensation between the two layers of plastic.  Instead of insulation why don't you force air between the sheets instead?
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Jeremy man I wish those temps were going on.  It's 35 tonight.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cheezit]
    #7575386 - 10/30/07 03:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you could fill the walls with zonalite or some granulated fill insulation like they use to fill concrete block. its like sand and find every nook and cranny. snap off foam like they use for foundations would work too...your only going to get about r6 from it though.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cheezit]
    #7575539 - 10/30/07 06:35 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Jeremy man I wish those temps were going on.  It's 35 tonight.




Ouch! Here's some Florida sun for ya! :sunny:


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: greys]
    #7576152 - 10/30/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I never ran across the zonalite in my travels.  Is it related to vermiculite? 

It's in the 40's today!:cool:


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cheezit]
    #7576408 - 10/30/07 12:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

yeah it is similar to fine vermiculite. Masons use it and other granulated insulations to fill cinderblock walls.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cheezit]
    #7578200 - 10/30/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The method I described is used in thousands of mushroom growing houses worldwide. Condensation is not a problem.

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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7578409 - 10/30/07 09:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7579802 - 10/31/07 08:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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The method I described is used in thousands of mushroom growing houses worldwide. Condensation is not a problem.

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Yeah, it's actually very similar to what I'd like to do, I wonder if it would be okay with hurricane codes...I do see plenty of them around town, so they must be up to code. I'd bet I can get that WAY cheaper than one of those rubbermaids. I'll look into this with the city.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7583690 - 11/01/07 11:29 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I'll also pour a concrete slab and install one row of cinder blocks to raise it up a bit.

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What do you think the cost will be for a 200sq ft foundation?

Also when you say you're going to raise up the carport using cinder blocks, can go into some more detail about that?


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
    #7583975 - 11/01/07 12:46 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

At one foot wide by one inch thick by 27 feet long = 1 yard

It would take 7.5 yards to pour a layer 1" thick

It would take 45 yards to pour a 6" slab. 200sq' surface area 6" deep

45 @ x price

Not including the gravel base and steal rebar / wire mesh.

35$ a truck load or by the ton.


Or you can do a concrete footing around the perimeter. Then use gravel to fill the middle area, like some opt for in green houses, build a couple rows up with block, then back fill in more gravel a couple feet. Have a grade for a drainage.

With the gravel you could then add hot water pipes or cold water pipes for a mild radiant heating system one way or another.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cheezit]
    #7584337 - 11/01/07 02:47 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I'm pretty sure it would cost more than a grand to get 200sqft poured for you. You could probably save half or more if you did it yourself but you need help. Rent a cement mixer, something to move dirt, and plan on having 2 or 3 people to help you for at least 12 hours.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7584565 - 11/01/07 04:01 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm pretty sure it would cost more than a grand to get 200sqft poured for you.  You could probably save half or more if you did it yourself but you need help.  Rent a cement mixer, something to move dirt, and plan on having 2 or 3 people to help you for at least 12 hours.




No doubt, I'd agree that would be well over $1000 for the foundation alone. I really am not sure what 45 yards would cost me around here, but I'm not skilled enough to even think about pouring the foundation myself. I actually worked with some Coast Guard guys helping them build a workshop. It was my only experience like that, and the forms we made to pour the cement into must've not been really well thought out, because when we took them off later they were definitely not level or even straight. The entire base looked like Tim Burton created it :rofl2: We were making a lot of jokes about Military intelligence after that :shrug:


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
    #7584760 - 11/01/07 04:58 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I've got a similar carport as cryogenix. I'm gonna skirt the need for building inspectors, permits and concrete by building a floor off the ground creating a small crawlspace. I wont need it for a couple months and need some money to finish the carport.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: YidakiMan]
    #7584992 - 11/01/07 05:49 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm gonna skirt the need for building inspectors, permits and concrete by building a floor off the ground creating a small crawlspace.




:strokebeard: I didn't know that you could do that...:thumbup:


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
    #7587395 - 11/02/07 11:24 AM (16 years, 2 months ago)

What about the Hydrofarm Habitat?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000X5T1DE/ref=olp_product_details/103-8690215-5176664?ie=UTF8&me=&seller=

High Quality plastic bonded canvas exterior - light and odor proof
Multiple air intake and exhaust options
Elastic door straps to keep open doors out of the way
Waterproof bottom inner lining protects from spills and leaks
Sturdy, powder-coated metal frame and corners


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
    #7587646 - 11/02/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

It could have its uses thats for sure. For the amount of time and cash it takes running around building one you could just click a key.

Cargo containers also interested me, the ones with the AC units.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cheezit]
    #7587838 - 11/02/07 01:20 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I like the fact that it is pre-designed to have ventillation intakes and outlets.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
    #7587875 - 11/02/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have seen the hydrofarm in a few shops and I think they look like a waste of cash.:thumbdown:

http://www.hydrowholesale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=hydro&Category_Code=CHGK

They just look so easy to make.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: thallus]
    #7588726 - 11/02/07 05:30 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I was thinking that when I was driving around. Those things are way too much $$$ for what you are getting.

Oh well. I'm still open to new ideas, or old ones...


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Jeremy_Davis]
    #7589088 - 11/02/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

For a 10ft x 20ft 3.5 inch thick slab (which is what you need for a mushroom house. it would take 2.16 yards of concrete, plus 10% for extra. You might as well get 3 yards since most concrete companies have a 3 yard minimum. prices are about 75$-125$ a yard in my area.


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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7589127 - 11/02/07 07:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

In my area, any building 10x20 that wont have people living in it doesn't require a permit. if you put rebar in the slab on the perimeter, then you simply set each cinder block over the rebar and cap off the brick, or you could form up the side walls and pour solid concrete.

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Re: Rubbermaid Sheds for fruiting/Incubation rooms? [Re: Cryogenicz]
    #7599340 - 11/05/07 05:18 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

I have scoped out those pre made rubber made sheds & other ones at home depo as well, i learned some time back that anything premade at home depo cost alot of money & you can build the same thing for alot less money. The premade sheds run about 1200 to 1700 bucks, i estimate you can build your own for 500 to 700 bucks, depending upon how much detail you want to get into. if you put the shed up on blocks it is concidered temporary structure & you don't need a building permit & don't have to pay taxes on it, ( at least where i live )

You can use that foam board insulation, and panel the inside with water proof wall board, build a work bench, then, something i learned from my grandfather when he built a scallop shop.....

......You put 1/4 round molding in all the corners, then you paint the place with 3 or more coats of fiberglass resin, make sure you coat the under side of the workbench as well, have a drain with the floor slightly pitched & the ability to plug it during non draining times. Now you can scrub the entire interior of the shed with bleach soap & water any time you want, then hose it out, it is steril & ready to work in.

I know that some folks are not as able to build as i am but for the ones that are, take my advise & build your own, it is so much cheaper.


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