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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Rose]
    #7571809 - 10/29/07 05:43 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
Instead, I think several human CULTURES are moving backwards. Not all of 'em by any means... but some, including my own. Many societies have crumbled from the top down... yet humanity remains.




I agree, but I think it is not a sign of these abstract human institutions moving backwards, but rather, reality moving forward. :wink:

The more power is centralized further away from the sovereign individual, the less foundation the institution has. Most governments on this planet have been centralizing power away from the individual, the United States of America a prime example, considering its foundation and framework.

The fact is, the less representative an institution is of human beings, the less it represents reality, as we are what gives the institution (abstract concepts that we adhere to mentally) existance. For example, the War on Drugs. Record labels. The corporate/media establishment with its television medium.

The more an institution does not represent human beings, the less it exists. We bypass them. We stop investing our own sovereignity into them. :smile:

We witness the death knells of societal institutions that are not capable of representing reality. Different perspectives of reality, and the institutions that are founded upon them, each view their perspective as reality. Clearly, there will be discord as these institutions continue to act as though reality conforms to their perspective. If anything can be said, it is that reality cannot be controlled. Eventually, reality will dissolve that which would attempt to contain it in order for it to survive.

We will continue to evolve. :mushroom2:


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7572030 - 10/29/07 08:43 AM (14 years, 3 months ago)

That was a cool post :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7572571 - 10/29/07 12:52 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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ts727 said:
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Considering we are the only creatures that think spiritually,

assumption on you're part.



On earth.




Still assumption


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7572582 - 10/29/07 12:54 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

you could be right although I see little evidence of it.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7572718 - 10/29/07 01:43 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

You make some great points FG. You describe America almost perfectly.

But not all states are moving from secularism back into fundamentalism in the, "Advanced" way you describe.

That said, you described Neo-conservatism almost perfectly... and quickly.

Leo Strauss would be proud.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7572871 - 10/29/07 02:45 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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As far as I know the term evolution only applies to physical changes in a species for the purpose of adaption within the physical environment for the purpose of survival of the species.




i'm not sure our physical evolution has much to do with our survival at this point. we need to evolve socially. maybe there is a reason for all of this "devolution" you speak of.

if you're going along the path and figure out you've taken the wrong turn...you've got to back track...to continue on the journey.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: TameMe]
    #7572902 - 10/29/07 02:56 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

i haven't read the whole thread yet....

but it sounds like we're all making it seem like this "devolution" is the fault of us.

i thought nature is what determines who and what evolves. Is the world population not growing everyday? What may seem to be a step back may be a step forward.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7573040 - 10/29/07 03:39 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

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Evo forward, Devo backward.






They tell us that
We lost our tails
Evolving up
From little snails
I say its all
Just wind in sails
Are we not men?
We are devo!
Were pinheads now
We are not whole
Were pinheads all
Jocko homo
Are we not men?
D-e-v-o
Monkey men all
In business suit
Teachers and critics
All dance the poot
Are we not men?
We are devo!
Are we not men?
D-e-v-o
God made man
But he used the monkey to do it
Apes in the plan
Were all here to prove it
I can walk like an ape
Talk like an ape
I can do what a monkey can do
God made man
But a monkey supplied the glue
We must repeat
O.k. lets go!


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: TameMe]
    #7573102 - 10/29/07 04:05 PM (14 years, 3 months ago)

Myths of the developing world

Cool link, check it out if you haven't seen it yet.

World population is growing, in all sectors, along with the standard of living.

The problem with America in particular, is that to a large extent we no longer equate health with success. Most businesses would rather serve someone a bag of chips with no nutritional value, rather than offer someone a healthy, unprocessed food. Throughout a person's life, they need high quality protein, vegetable fat, fresh vitamins and minerals. Look at the crap public schools serve the children, the number of fast food restaurants, the menus at "nice" restaurants, the huge choice of unhealthy food and lack of healthy food at convenient stores, the unwise desire to microwave food to save a little time, and the insistence the everything be cooked and have a shelf life of almost forever, and it's easy to see why America is falling behind.

The lines between health and success have been blurred. We have low income/low health "families" that pop out babies every couple years, and healthy people who refuse to procreate because it's inconvenient to their lifestyle. It's perfectly natural, but so are population declines, civil unrest and war.

In fact, in as far as technology is able to prevent rebellion, technology is halting the progress of evolution. Technology props up bad health, and allow procreation when it would otherwise end in failure. It's not "our" fault. Each person is responsible for their own health. It's the nanny mentality that caused this problem in the first place.

We will continue to evolve, but technology isn't exactly speeding things up.


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