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Psychoactive SoCal?
    #7571563 - 10/29/07 12:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Species #1 (i think we're looking at one species here, but could be wrong)

in the wild:




took a specimen home for pictures + spore print:

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these guys were found in a pretty sheltered little habitat...it's almost a microcosm...shady, moist and w/ plentiful wood-chips. this is all inside a "gated community" with irrigation and lots of gardening going on.


some baby pins!
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Habitat: Woodchips on the top of a small grassy knoll, sheltered by hedges + trees. Some kind of coprinus [probably coprinus micaceus] seen there not long ago.

Gills: Tan/Yellowish, Attached (adnexed/notched]

Stem: Whitish with bruising. Lined vertically.

Cap: Varying from reddish-brown to light tan, as pictured.

Spore Print Color: Looks fairly purple-brown to me, to be honest. But then again, am i seeing what i want to? The picture of the print is okay, but it's very hard to get a camera to show "true color", if you know what i mean.

Bruising: From stem to gills, bruising is evident. Definitely looks blue/green to me.

Location: SoCal!

Sorry about the number of pictures...I tried to narrow them down to the most helpful. Anyway, these shrooms have been bugging me for a while. I can ONLY find them in this one spot that can't be more than five square feet or so, very random considering what I usually find around these parts. Your help is greatly appreciated!


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7571568 - 10/29/07 12:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

nice! azures yes?


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7571569 - 10/29/07 12:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

here's those pics that didn't resolve for some reason:


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7571576 - 10/29/07 12:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7571579 - 10/29/07 12:20 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

those are certainly active, psilocybe azurescens seems to fit...


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7571593 - 10/29/07 12:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Species #1 (i think we're looking at one species here, but could be wrong)
i´m with uarewotueat , that umbo is no comond in other caramel wood lovers,maybe you live in the magic area where this grow wild or is a cultivated patch


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: cactu]
    #7571603 - 10/29/07 12:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Sorry about the number of pictures




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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7571608 - 10/29/07 12:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i need more :syringe:


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: cactu]
    #7571616 - 10/29/07 12:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Species #1 (i think we're looking at one species here, but could be wrong)
i´m with uarewotueat , that umbo is no comond in other caramel wood lovers,maybe you live in the magic area where this grow wild or is a cultivated patch




i have no idea how these mushrooms occured where they are...

azurescens seems like a pretty good fit, but as you can tell, i'm a first-season kind of n00b ~ love mah shrooms though!

anyone else agree or disagree with the azurescens call?


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7571651 - 10/29/07 01:08 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

looks like psilocybe cyanofibrillosa to me


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7571653 - 10/29/07 01:11 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

> anyone else agree or disagree with the azurescens call?

Looks like azurescens. I wonder if the patch is wild or if someone planted it.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7571658 - 10/29/07 01:14 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:shocked:
What city/town in SoCal???

Definitely Psilocybe, maybe Ps. azurescens, though they resemble the Ps. cyanescens I've found, as well:


Faceofbear, do any of the specimens have wavy cap margins like this?


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7571671 - 10/29/07 01:25 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Where's the blue bruising?

I can't see how azurescens could possibly be fruiting in your temperature range?

Inactive Hyphaloma, Stropharia or Psilocybe?


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: undergrounder]
    #7571673 - 10/29/07 01:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Where's the blue bruising?



The stipes, lamelle, and cap margin.... I would point it out in paint, but it seems rather evident.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: CureCat]
    #7571681 - 10/29/07 01:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

could it be a cultivated patch?
from the overall habitat shot, it seems as if that area was cleared earlier in the year for "some reason"


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7571683 - 10/29/07 01:38 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Of course it could be.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: CureCat]
    #7571692 - 10/29/07 01:46 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

lol well of course it could be... that was more of a rhetorical question...


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7571713 - 10/29/07 02:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Where's the blue bruising?



The stipes, lamelle, and cap margin....




Thanks, the lamelle bruising looked a bit dark to me for typical green cap bruising and the stipe bases are harder to spot.

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I would point it out in paint, but it seems rather evident.





No need to get prickly, just asking a question.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: undergrounder]
    #7571721 - 10/29/07 02:12 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not prickly!!


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: CureCat]
    #7571738 - 10/29/07 02:29 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: CureCat]
    #7572327 - 10/29/07 09:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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:shocked:
What city/town in SoCal???

Definitely Psilocybe, maybe Ps. azurescens, though they resemble the Ps. cyanescens I've found, as well:


Faceofbear, do any of the specimens have wavy cap margins like this?





no wavy cap margins...they seem to mature into a flat cap with a knob.
they initially caught my eye because of the resemblance to cyans, especially those "bleached" ones.

By SoCal I mean Los Angeles county...South Bay nonetheless (Manhattan/Hermosa/Redondo Beach)!

Maybe if I take some more habitat pictures you can see what I mean about this being a peculiar little area. The habitat is pretty artificial around here, lots of sprinklers and gardeners spreading mulch and woodchips. I'm not ruling out that someone may have cultivated this patch, perhaps even years ago - but i definitely think i'm the only one interested in it now.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7572347 - 10/29/07 09:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

those are not azures

either cyanescens or cyanofibrillosa

not because they dont grow there, and im not saying they couldnt be cultivated in socal with good intent, but those mushrooms in your photos are definitely not azurescens.

wait till someone who actually hunts them to chime in, most of you in this thread have little to no experience with azures up close, no?
they look nothing like the bell and nipple that i know from experience, and they closely resemble a lot of the pygmy cyans i was finding in the bay area for the past 5 years, and some of them are infact cyanofibrillosas, so your guess could be right that theres most likely more than one kind of mushroom in there.

this is a great post faceofbear, thanks for bringing this to everyones attention.

still, i only see one that resembles an azure and the rest dont at all, and its only cause that one mushroom is so young in its maturation.

the mature one next to it looks like a cyanescens, and the belled ones are textbook cyanofibrillosa. cyanofibs usually dont get wavy caps either.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: CptnGarden]
    #7572629 - 10/29/07 11:06 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i find it extrememly hard to believe that woodlovers have cometo LA county. ive never seen this occur before. and the bruising doesnt look blue to me on my screen just brown but if its blue ill pray.

i would go absolutely crazy if i found cyans in my area. i think ill start looking anyways.

damn. you should make sure on this find. its a really important one for so cal.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7572677 - 10/29/07 11:27 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

amazing, looks like cyans to me


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: freezepooter]
    #7573032 - 10/29/07 01:37 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

thanks to everybody for the input so far.

the bruising is definitely bluish...it's certainly subtle, and appears green on the gills (blue + yellow = go figure), but i can't say that i'm making it up. i think it's easier to see in real life also.

so my question is,

how to do i best go about "making sure"?

i'm planning on continuing to visit, and picking on maturation...i'll take some more pics + spore prints when i can.

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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7573064 - 10/29/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

is there anything else i should be doing?

send me a sample :grin: just kidding


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: cactu]
    #7573281 - 10/29/07 03:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

keep looking for these patches. if its more than a freak oocurence then its gonna be a big deal... at least for me:grin:


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Dr. uarewotueat]
    #7573352 - 10/29/07 03:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

they look like azurs to me, not cyans unless they're a very odd var i've never seen before. Nice pics though, very sexy shrooms :wink:


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: haymaker]
    #7574331 - 10/29/07 08:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Hmmm, cyanescens, cyanofibrillosa or azures?

This is a very interesting post. Like most others here, I've never seen that kind of mushroom found in Southern California.

I hope one of the mods here can come up with a positive ID. Sure would be cool to see you LA peeps join the woodlover mania that grips the northern half of the west coast.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Stymee]
    #7574504 - 10/29/07 09:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you wanna really know what it is, send it to workman so he can do a microscopy on it. he will tell you what they are. if you are willing to part with a sample or spore print.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7574566 - 10/29/07 09:23 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

that sure would be nice if those are from so cal.
I believe that they would grow there. They grow in the central valley and its hotter here but not as dry as so cal. But a landscaped and irrigated area would produce for sure.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: tahoe]
    #7574996 - 10/29/07 11:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: CureCat]
    #7576627 - 10/30/07 01:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

went back to the patch today to check on the progress

i managed to take a few pics before my camera died...:(

the three sisters from the other day:


maybe the shrooms came on a woodchip meteorite?

unfortunately what i couldn't take a picture of is a larger number of mushies, mostly pins still, but sprouting very near by. They resemble the pins of the others but are noticeably larger, and the more mature ones seem to have so far retained their cap colour and possibly have whiter stalks. anyway, I'll get pictures when i charge my girlfriend's camera.

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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7577426 - 10/30/07 04:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

damn and you say theres more of em?

i am wondering if this is someones outdoor patch now... that chunk of chips looks out of place to me.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: tahoe]
    #7577451 - 10/30/07 04:12 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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that sure would be nice if those are from so cal.
I believe that they would grow there. They grow in the central valley and its hotter here but not as dry as so cal. But a landscaped and irrigated area would produce for sure.




I had no idea that wood loving psilocybes grew in the central valley.
Is this an extremely rare occurrence?
I am in Stanislaus county and have found Subbs and Gyms but would love to think that there may be fibs or cyans around as well.
However I find it hard to believe that the chances are very good for them here.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Subbedhunter420]
    #7578183 - 10/30/07 07:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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damn and you say theres more of em?

i am wondering if this is someones outdoor patch now... that chunk of chips looks out of place to me.





I was thinking the same thing. However... I didn't think SoCal temps supported cold woodloving mushrooms. Have you guys been having a rainy cold spell?


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    #7578293 - 10/30/07 08:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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damn and you say theres more of em?

i am wondering if this is someones outdoor patch now... that chunk of chips looks out of place to me.




yeah i wondered the same thing. it's a very random area though...pictures (when i can get em) will explain better than words.

no particularly "rainy spell" (we've had fires instead!)
but there have been a few rainy nights of late.
i think this is the second fruiting i've witnessed at this patch.
the thing is that area is definitely watered by hose or sprinkler, because it's near the trees that the gardeners water. so i mean, it's irrigated artificially and shaded from the californian sun.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7578519 - 10/30/07 09:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Did you place that hunk of colonized chips with the pins there, or was it just sitting there like that??  :confused:


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    #7579081 - 10/31/07 12:15 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Did you place that hunk of colonized chips with the pins there, or was it just sitting there like that??  :confused:




sitting there.

i believe it's the result of a clumsy/curious gardener...
this patch is growing inside a gated "village"~basically full of wealthy insurers/basketball stars and their families.
they hire hordes of red-shirted gardeners that rip up all the flowers every couple weeks and replace them with new ones...

i can't see why anyone else would rip up a lump like that and then just leave it (and all the other shrooms) there.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7579360 - 10/31/07 03:45 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Have you been getting a string of cold nights below 45F?

That woodlovers could be fruiting at the same time that half the state is burning in hot, dry winds just seems kinda impossible to me.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: undergrounder]
    #7579867 - 10/31/07 09:02 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Me and subbed were talkin about this, I think its possible, weve been gettin some pretty cool lows at night and the mornings are cool too, but the humidity and day time high is what puzzles me, i suppose cause your by the beach.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: Slyy]
    #7580255 - 10/31/07 11:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It has been getting into the 40's in some areas at night. and with a wet, shaded area of woodchips its perfect.

like he said, microclimates...

I guess it would be difficult to say this is a man made patch because who in THIS neighborhood could be doing it? i dont know of any famous insurers or basketball players who grow cyans outdoors in gated communities.


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    #7580573 - 10/31/07 12:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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It has been getting into the 40's in some areas at night. and with a wet, shaded area of woodchips its perfect.

like he said, microclimates...

I guess it would be difficult to say this is a man made patch because who in THIS neighborhood could be doing it? i dont know of any famous insurers or basketball players who grow cyans outdoors in gated communities.




you said it...

the fact is, no matter how unlikely it may be for this kind of patch to appear, it has appeared.
i can't find the camera's charger, but when i do i'll take some pics of the surrounding area...we're talking palm trees etc.

i guess what we can take from this is that appropriate microclimates in SoCal are capable of sustaining woodlovers. that doesn't explain how they got there, but it raises the possibility of artificially starting colonies in such locations.


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Re: Psychoactive SoCal? [Re: faceofbear]
    #7582040 - 10/31/07 07:08 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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