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Offlinelearningtofly
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Does humanity serve a purpose?
    #7571056 - 10/28/07 09:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Like whats the point really? Well for that matter does anything serve a purpose?


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7571063 - 10/28/07 09:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

P&S?


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7571064 - 10/28/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Well for that matter does anything serve a purpose?




exactly


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: demiu5]
    #7571069 - 10/28/07 09:15 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What's P&S?


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7571077 - 10/28/07 09:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Philosophy and Spirituality forum. There is no point to any of this, really. We're just supposed to keep going. Thats what we're programed for. Survival. Life on earth is a random occurrence. We're not special. We need to to stop thinking that way. Survival is the reason, there is no point. Don't need one.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: robbyberto]
    #7571083 - 10/28/07 09:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Ohhh, yeah I guess that should go there but I pondered this whilst in a semi-psychedelic experience.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7571148 - 10/28/07 09:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

There is no such thing as purpose when dealing with things not created by man. There is no "god" that designed us, therefore we have no purpose, all we have are functions. Most people seem to agree that being happy and making sure everyone is doing alright would be the ultimate goal, this stems from the evolutionary mentality of doing what's best for the group to ensure survival. My personal hopes for humanity would include the rapid expansion of scientific thought and science in general. I hope one day that we can meet an intelligent alien race and work with them to discover the secrets of the universe and share what we know with them. This can not happen until we learn to stop killing shit because it's different from us. (and just to clear it all up, NO I don't believe in god and YES I do believe in aliens. May sound weird to you but aliens are statistically likely while god is definitely not)


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: Psilocin Dreams]
    #7571211 - 10/28/07 09:55 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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May sound weird to you but aliens are statistically likely while god is definitely not





Ohhh yeah, I forgot how statistically likely it is that everything came together by chance.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7571220 - 10/28/07 09:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If the multiverse theory is correct (and quantum physics is making it look very likely) then it is very statistically likely everything came together by chance.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: Ness1]
    #7571229 - 10/28/07 10:01 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

*puts on tinfoil hat and grabs a bible*
Another one of these threads...


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7571233 - 10/28/07 10:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

boxcarguy07 said:
Ohhh yeah, I forgot how statistically likely it is that everything came together by chance.




It's very unlikely. But given infinite time, I'm sure it could happen.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: Psilocin Dreams]
    #7571249 - 10/28/07 10:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Perhaps you are right.

Of course, we'll never really know. I choose to believe in a God. You don't. That's cool.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7571297 - 10/28/07 10:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Does God believe in YOU? think about that one


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7571395 - 10/28/07 10:51 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it is statistically likely that a person will think such a thought during a psychedelic effect.

unless you already have a strong core sense of what it is to be human,
the question of purpose may arise,
the question of origin may arise,
the question of death may arise.
these are all diversions from seeing what is happenning now -

I appreciate that when they arise they bring a sense of uncertainty, and that uncertainty keeps the mind open.
Answering such questions, however, is ridiculous, even though the quester seems earnest,
the core of interest is someplace else.

does a tree have a purpose?
man can take it and make products, wood and paper or fire.
but that is not the purpose of the tree, merely a diversion of it's potential.
during it's life the tree makes fruit/nuts oxygen shade and harbours micro environments.
but that is not the purpose of the tree, merely a fulfillment of it's potential.
no one thing is ever the purpose of the tree.
all the things together are the life and potential of the tree, and that is too multifarious for a purpose.

we are even more complex than a tree, so purpose is an even more ridiculous thing to map upon our lives.
far easier to say the purpose of a nail or the purpose of a flash memory card.

immerse in the moment
and leave purpose to those who must knot their brows,
which never helps thinking, by the way - a clear brow is the way to go 100%.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7571484 - 10/28/07 11:26 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

no human thing is of serious importance

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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: pong]
    #7571524 - 10/28/07 11:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Does the universe serve a purpose without intelligence to observe and react to it?


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: Hershey]
    #7571532 - 10/28/07 11:54 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

well since intelligence cannot exist without a universe or place if you will to exist intelligence is a characteristic of the universe.

so the universe is actually observing itself which in my view is pretty damned pointless.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: pong]
    #7571545 - 10/29/07 12:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

my belief is the universe needed to expel a great amount of energy via sentient beings. otherwise the universe would explode and then there wouldn't be any captain crunch.. get my drift?


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: ThePeruvianTorch]
    #7571645 - 10/29/07 01:00 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"Do life forms exist to create D.N.A molecules or do D.N.A molecules exist to create life forms?"- Taken from a space tribe song.

To me an aware being living and experiencing things is the greatest reason for anything. Awareness is the greatest miracle of all.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: pong]
    #7571660 - 10/29/07 01:16 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Eh, Plato is overrated in my book. Him and the Greek ethos.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: robbyberto]
    #7571676 - 10/29/07 01:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

We are not created with a purpose, but like redgreenvine's example of a tree, we can define our purpose through our actions.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: boxcarguy07]
    #7572621 - 10/29/07 11:04 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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boxcarguy07 said:
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May sound weird to you but aliens are statistically likely while god is definitely not





Ohhh yeah, I forgot how statistically likely it is that everything came together by chance.




im studying this in metaphysics. ochams razor states that out of two explanations the simpler one is right. it would seem simpler to believe that "god" had something to do with existance, rather than it being random. its a simpler solution to believe that there was an intelligent design behind this, than it being random. the way everything fits together is to perfect to be random. and by "god" you by no means have to think of that in the terms of the judeo-christian form of God.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: LedHead]
    #7572625 - 10/29/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Invoking God is not simpler because the idea of God opens up a whole host of problems, not least of which is starting an infinite regress.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: Ness1]
    #7572635 - 10/29/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ness there will always be an infinite regress or brute fact needed. even if randomness was the answer it would regress back to a cause of a cause of a cause of a cause of a cause


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: Ness1]
    #7572822 - 10/29/07 12:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

It should be a rule to define "God" when you use it in a post.

Some people will think of "God" as an actual being.

Some people will think of "God" as just a consciousness.

Some people will think of "God" as just the right equations, :wink:.

Some people will come up with other things that I didn't type.

"God" is just an idea, like all the rest of them, open for personal definition.

All of this, everything, is open for personal definition.  That could be potentially argued as it's purpose for being, but other than that, there is no purpose for anything around you.

The physical may or may not serve as somewhat of a placement filter for where you stand in the next stage of the fractal, and that could be argued as one purpose for the physical universe collectively, but that's just a loose idea, and not too serious.

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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: robbyberto]
    #7572847 - 10/29/07 12:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The purpose of life is to find the purpose.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: Psilocin Dreams]
    #7572913 - 10/29/07 12:59 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Psilocin Dreams said:
There is no such thing as purpose when dealing with things not created by man. There is no "god" that designed us, therefore we have no purpose all we have are functions. Most people seem to agree that being happy and making sure everyone is doing alright would be the ultimate goal, this stems from the evolutionary mentality of doing what's best for the group to ensure survival. My personal hopes for humanity would include the rapid expansion of scientific thought and science in general. I hope one day that we can meet an intelligent alien race and work with them to discover the secrets of the universe and share what we know with them. This can not happen until we learn to stop killing shit because it's different from us. (and just to clear it all up, NO I don't believe in god and YES I do believe in aliens. May sound weird to you but aliens are statistically likely while god is definitely not)



God i hate ignorant people like you. who the fuck are you to say that their isn't a god? are you Mr. know it all? now i'm not saying there is or not but for fucks sake people act like they know every thing when we know nothing. and your trying to say that our intellectual was a coincidence? fool...


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: LedHead]
    #7572944 - 10/29/07 01:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

it may not be random but its most likely not from a higher being unless we are descendants of a alien race and or we evolved to be "intelligent" evolution isnt random its intelligent


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: undergrounder]
    #7573010 - 10/29/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Just an off the wall idea:

The Universe has created us (and other lifeforms) to save itself. In order to express itself, the universe blew up, and from what we can tell, left "on it's own", it will not contract. So the universe created intelligent life. It will use our minds to find a way to manipulate the matter of the universe into reverse. This will allow the universe to collapse onto itself and be born again.

In other words, we are here to destroy the universe. Every time the universe bursts forth, it creates intelligent life to reverse the motion so the process can continue forever. We are simply prototypes of the beings who will find the technology to destroy the universe.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: Rahz]
    #7573045 - 10/29/07 01:41 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The REAL reason humanity exists:

"We need food when we pass through this section of the quadrant. I am so glad to see humans plumping up so nicely; especially Americans." ~ Zorg



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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7573762 - 10/29/07 05:31 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
Like whats the point really? Well for that matter does anything serve a purpose?




It's not for you to know. Sorry.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7574155 - 10/29/07 07:28 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Reproduce. That's the only purpose. Or do things to ensure the survival of the species, which is a thinky version of fucking.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: learningtofly]
    #7574172 - 10/29/07 07:33 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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learningtofly said:
Like whats the point really? 




The present experience of reality. :mushroom2:


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7574238 - 10/29/07 07:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No evidence to back this, but what if the sun was cooling and our purpose was to create massive amounts of greenhouse gases to ensure that the temperature of the planet remained relatively the same. To keep the rest of the life on the planet going.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: WScott]
    #7574292 - 10/29/07 08:07 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What if a lot of things :tongue: :hippie:


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: robbyberto]
    #7575139 - 10/30/07 12:41 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I think this goes with what DimensionX is saying. But I dare not try to associate on an online forum.

I like to look at it all that there is no god, but we are all part of the same thing, this huge entity of planets and human and electrons. We are growing and changing to understand ourselves. Each individual is a part in the cog of the universal understanding, adding his or her own perspective. Sort of like this forum where we all have different opinions yet are linked through Mushrooms. This idea implies that overall we do not understand what our purpose is....yet.

So I quote the Gorillaz "Life is to know the definition for what life is"

Amen Del.


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: WScott]
    #7575186 - 10/30/07 12:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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No evidence to back this, but what if the sun was cooling and our purpose was to create massive amounts of greenhouse gases to ensure that the temperature of the planet remained relatively the same. To keep the rest of the life on the planet going.




If that is our purpose, our purpose is utterly in vain. :lol: Greenhouse gases work to contain heat energy within our planet, but it doesn't work if the Sun doesn't continue its output of energy into our planetary system. Insulation works wonders for containing heat, but its not like wrapping a house in foam and then never running the wood stove is going to maintain the same temperature indefinitely. :shrug:


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: LedHead]
    #7575244 - 10/30/07 01:30 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ochams razor states that out of two explanations the simpler one is right.  it would seem simpler to believe that "god" had something to do with existance, rather than it being random.  its a simpler solution to believe that there was an intelligent design behind this, than it being random.




Sorry, but this is blatantly untrue.

Occam's Razor states that the explanation for any phenomenon should make as few assumptions as possible. It does not state that a simpler explanation more accurately represents the nature of reality. An explanation that is not based in demonstratable observation (re: g*d) is not designated as more likely to be true by Occam's razor, due to its simplicity.

It is simpler to believe that the light bulb turns on because of magic, than to develop an understanding of the nature of electricity, and the manner in which we have applied that understanding through technology. Misuse of Occam's Razor does not support a belief in g*d. :shrug:


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: robbyberto]
    #7575603 - 10/30/07 07:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

::sigh:: Isn't this just a rewording of "What's the meaning of life?"


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Re: Does humanity serve a purpose? [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #7575775 - 10/30/07 09:19 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Visionary Tools said:
Reproduce. That's the only purpose. Or do things to ensure the survival of the species, which is a thinky version of fucking.




Correct.This is the only apparent reason for humanity. I have come to suspect that philosophy and spirituality etc are all unimportant (except to ourselves) aspects of complexity the evolution of the human brain. There purpose is to relieve and reduce death anxiety. Logic, observation and personal experience of over 50 years , points to this.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC


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