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CaptainLinger
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as it should be
Apparently not, as particularly here your statement makes no sense. CO2 will not "drop out the bottom" of a container with evaporation circulating the air; the CO2 will stay in suspension just like it does in our atmosphere.
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Cheezit
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So is the container on a heating pad?
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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Cheezit]
#7572906 - 10/29/07 12:58 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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ok so how would one keep the RH high and the FAE good. im getting mixed messages here.
how about the ari pump going to the bottom of the bottle (under the perlite), leaving the cap off, and not poking holes?
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Cheezit
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See we are working different points of view, using different forces to do the same thing.
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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Cheezit]
#7572961 - 10/29/07 01:13 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Jesus, Cheezit doesn't even understand his own argument.
Slimz: use a 2-liter. Poke holes in all of it; even if Cheez was making sense, this method would work for what we're both saying...he just cuts out a necessary part. Put adequate perlite under your cakes, mist every once in a while, and forget.
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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Slimz]
#7572963 - 10/29/07 01:14 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you want my point of view, I would place the tube from the pump in the top. Put a few holes at the bottom. The air will flow downwards and out the bottom holes. You control the flow of gas. The mushroom creates Co2, you wash the co2 away out the bottom, as the fresh air flows down from the top. The air mixes a bit, but gently kinda rolls around. It mixes the air and dilutes the elevated level of unwanted gas. 100 ways to achieve.
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treat me like a noob i love it
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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Cheezit]
#7572974 - 10/29/07 01:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why are you bothering with this? 20 cents of perlite and a 1-dollar 2 liter. Some holes. Done. CO2 doesn't "wash down" in an air mixture or your illiterate terra firma-dwelling ass would be dead.
Sorry. If you're going to invite abuse, I'm not one to turn that down Cheers.
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WAIT... im not worried about co2 at this point.. its the humidity. with all those holes, would not the humidity be an issue?
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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Slimz]
#7572997 - 10/29/07 01:24 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Not really. You need to maintain your perlite by keeping it moist, but a blanket of the stuff in a pseudo-shell like the 2 liter we're using will maintain nearly 99% RH while still exchanging air. The idea is to continue air exchanges while making sure the fresh air is humid.
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so...
what is better,
having too much FAE and loosing moisture
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too little FAE ang high moisture?
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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: wocka]
#7573882 - 10/29/07 06:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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It shouldn't have to be a tradeoff; you can achieve the proper 3-4 exchanges an hour while still getting 97-99% humidity. This has disintegrated into a really dumb back and forth.
Again, a 2-liter, with a large number of smallish holes (think wiffleball) with 2-3" of perlite at the bottom, will meet both of these requirements.
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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: wocka]
#7574191 - 10/29/07 07:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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wocka said: so...
what is better,
having too much FAE and loosing moisture
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too little FAE ang high moisture?
Well, you should be able to reach a balance but if not:
Casings are more tolerant to lower RH (a lot of people even lower it to 80% for fruiting) while cakes don't like low humity, so If I was doing cakes and had to choose between higher FAE but loosing RH or the oposite I'd prefer to sacrifice some FAE to keep the humidity up.
Just put a couple inches of perlite in the bottom, and cover with the bottle with a few holes in and put in a slightly draughty area and you won't even have to fan.
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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Nibin]
#7574302 - 10/29/07 08:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago) |
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Casings are more tolerant to lower RH (a lot of people even lower it to 80% for fruiting)
That's absurd. No reputable source would advise that. They're more tolerant, only if you keep the casing material itself so hydrated as to generate its own RH from evaporation. Not easy, and hardly something to aim for.
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Cheezit
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CaptainLinger said:
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Casings are more tolerant to lower RH (a lot of people even lower it to 80% for fruiting)
That's absurd. No reputable source would advise that. They're more tolerant, only if you keep the casing material itself so hydrated as to generate its own RH from evaporation. Not easy, and hardly something to aim for.
I'm not saying that I recommend it, just that quite a few people here do this and get consistent results. If you had cakes at that kind of RH you wouldn't get anything or very little.
In fact, as long as you keep your casing layer properly hydrated you can work with even lower RHs, but it is a pain in the ass to hydrate the casing and you are risking major overlay.
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