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Big soda bottle tek.
    #7570605 - 10/28/07 06:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

im trying to have small descreet grow and i was wondering if i plan on using a 2 litre soda bottle and put about 3" of moist perlite in it for moisture should i keep the bottle totally closed n open it up 2-3 times a day or should i just put holes in the top so it can have air exchange on its own?


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: wocka]
    #7571791 - 10/29/07 03:26 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Perforate the entire surface with holes. You want 3-4 full air exchanges an hour, not 3-4 a day, whenever you get around to it.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7572012 - 10/29/07 06:37 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Im doing the same thing

My FAE plan is to cut big holes in the bottle and cover them with tyvek.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Slimz]
    #7572072 - 10/29/07 06:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

wait, so i want a bunch of holes in the soda bottle so its airy and then still open it up as much as i can? or do i keep it airtight then fan it out as much as i can, im confused.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: wocka]
    #7572091 - 10/29/07 07:07 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you want as much fresh air as posible while still keeping the humidity.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Slimz]
    #7572093 - 10/29/07 07:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

oh i see, so i can put a bunch of drilled holes around the top of the soda bottle and have my fan on so alot of air is circulating in the room.. the temps usually 79-81.. 83 at the highest. i plan on trying this soon


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: wocka]
    #7572717 - 10/29/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Not around the top. The entire thing. The fan is irrelevant; there won't be *that* much air exchange, and the evaporation from the perlite will move air inside the bottle.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7572757 - 10/29/07 11:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

im was actialy thinking of building a tyvec tent...


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Slimz]
    #7572760 - 10/29/07 11:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

...which will block the air. The soda bottle will work fine.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Slimz]
    #7572770 - 10/29/07 11:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

No reason for tyvek just make allot of holes everywhere bottom,top,sodes etc


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7572772 - 10/29/07 11:59 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I ment a sealed tyvek tent with plastic windows INSTEAD of a soda bottle.. like a mini greenhouse.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Slimz]
    #7572783 - 10/29/07 12:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Thats ok if you want to make it more difficult than it is lol.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: xaxphaanes]
    #7572796 - 10/29/07 12:09 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I ment a sealed tyvek tent with plastic windows INSTEAD of a soda bottle.. like a mini greenhouse.





only you're talking about making it airtight. Tyvek will let gases slowly interchange. Not quickly enough for your fruiting, by a long shot.

Why do you keep re-asking these questions with no apparent reason? If you're looking for experience, we're telling you it's silly for a number of reasons. Like you've been trying to avoid for 10 posts, a soda bottle, with numerous holes top to bottom, will make a wonderful mini fc.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7572806 - 10/29/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ok..

I wan's re-asking the questions, just hashing out ideas.. Im new to this and on my first grow. I have read alot of teks and im just kinda exploring posible options..


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7572807 - 10/29/07 12:16 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

A couple holes just above the substrate level does the trick, keep the bottle top loose, or off. It's passive but CO2 settles and displaces air, as it flows out the holes it pulls in fresh air, at an even rate as the Co2 flows out. If you have a small aquarium air pump you can put that into the bottle cap, to create a positive pressure environment. Pushing the Co2 out through the bottom holes.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Cheezit]
    #7572811 - 10/29/07 12:18 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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passive but CO2 settles and displaces air, as it flows out the holes it pulls in fresh air, at an even rate as the Co2 flows out.




Jesus. A single quote in the Cultivator and people are quoting this forever. If your air is so freaking stale that the CO2 starts to separate out of the mixture, you need to moisten that perlite.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7572840 - 10/29/07 12:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

what? dudes growing in a soda bottle....... what does moist perelite have anything to do with anything other then the humidity of the air. Ok maybe to make up for too much air exchange?

I'm not knocking the 100 some holes idea. That idea goes along just as well with the two holes and a aquarium pump.

Familiar with the monotub? five holes and thick flushes, closed air passive tek. But improved with an aquarium pump. Controls the humidity issues by preventing too much FAE.


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7572855 - 10/29/07 12:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What does moistening perlite do towards freshening "stale" air? Don't mix the poor guy up.

For fruiting you need two things

High Relative humidity (RH)

Fresh Air Exchange (FAE)

In a setup made of a container with wet perlite in the bottom, be it a shotgun box or a soda bottle or whatever, we have one problem. It takes time for perlite to raise the RH of the air around it and if we remove the air too fast (lots of FAE) then the RH never gets up to the levels it has to be at.

So you have to find the balance between the RH (amount of perlite) and FAE (holes in the bottle) so that your FAE is the highest possible without it making your RH go below 95 %


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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: CaptainLinger]
    #7572870 - 10/29/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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CaptainLinger said:
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passive but CO2 settles and displaces air, as it flows out the holes it pulls in fresh air, at an even rate as the Co2 flows out.




Jesus. A single quote in the Cultivator and people are quoting this forever.




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Re: Big soda bottle tek. [Re: Nibin]
    #7572872 - 10/29/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Water suspended on Perlite evaporates. With holes it will force fresh, moist air up and through the entire container. It's the same concept involved in the shotgun method you mention.


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