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Objective reality.
    #7566329 - 10/27/07 10:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

The 5 senses we have can teach us a lot about this reality, this objective reality. We all see the same colors, hear the same sounds, inhale all the same smells. For we are designed the same in this objective reality. We are objects in ourselves too. We are the same physically.

Yet internally in our brain we are completely different. It's almost like the subjective reality is completely seperate from the objective. Subjective reality is and always will be our brain functioning.

To me we are just another random organism that this universe has come up with, it's creation. The universe as an intelligent being. It has to have some sort of intelligence, or else we wouldn't be here. Random mutations you can say. As if our very own dna is an entitiy within itself.

We are an intelligent race, most of us. We have the ability with these 5 fingered hands to create as in the universe giving us the opurtunity to do so. We have been giving great oppurtunities to understand the objective reality. Yet we do not fully understand teh subjective.

Can anyone add to this?

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Re: Objective reality. [Re: Droz]
    #7566473 - 10/27/07 11:25 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yes, it seems we are on house arrest and trying to look at the outside of the house from the basement. 

I wonder though, without subjectivity, how could there be objectivity?  Isn't objectivity just another subject? 

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Re: Objective reality. [Re: Droz]
    #7566484 - 10/27/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Yet internally in our brain we are completely different.




Completely different would imply no intersecting points.

Same size with minor variation? Yes.

Same parts of the brain, operate the same body functions? Yes.

Same amount of neuronal connections? Thereabouts, yes.

Same material? Yes.

Same neurotransmitters? Yes.

Same basic desires and motivations? Yes.

On and on. Hard to continue when your basic premise is flawed.


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Re: Objective reality. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7566532 - 10/27/07 11:42 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I just fail to see how subjectivity vs. objectivity is an effective argument.  What is an object but a contraction of attention around open space?  How can anything be, without a perception of it?  Even the bare bones physical aspect of it is just a neurological interpretation of sensory input.  I am pretty sure that colors don't exist before they reach my eyes/brain, nor does anything else exist "outside of my head". I think the only definable example of objectivity is a void.  How can it be anything at all without interpretation?

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Re: Objective reality. [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #7566560 - 10/27/07 11:52 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I was refering to our thoughts, perceptions.


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Re: Objective reality. [Re: Droz]
    #7566580 - 10/27/07 12:02 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

To me we are just another random organism that this universe has come up with,

Sounds right.


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Re: Objective reality. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7567436 - 10/27/07 05:50 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Hard to continue when your basic premise is flawed.




Its only hard to continue because you have formulated a barrier.

I don't think has premise is flawed because he' meant that everyone thinks differently.

Good post Droz :hook:

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Re: Objective reality. [Re: Droz]
    #7567708 - 10/27/07 07:13 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

objective reality which suggests awareness of what is continuously unfolding (i.e. the ongoing creation in the ongoing now)
does not go well with traditional
creation myths (i.e. god did it and now we are supposed to do something - go ask a priest for your mission instructions)
These myths confuse the issue as does the idea of there being a purpose that we can articulate or a single meaning to life,
other than inspiration to keep reconnecting with ongoing creation
by being objective and continuing to find how reality is unfolding.


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Re: Objective reality. [Re: Quoiyaien]
    #7567935 - 10/27/07 08:48 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I wonder though, without subjectivity, how could there be objectivity?
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There couldn't be. The two are relative terms.

and nicely done, OrgoneConclusion.

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Re: Objective reality. [Re: Ego Death]
    #7567961 - 10/27/07 08:56 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I don't think has premise is flawed because he' meant that everyone thinks differently.





Disregarding that that is not what the OP wrote, if that were true then marketing and advetising would be ineffectual. Psychology would not exist.

The following test has been done repeatedly with nearly always the same results: different people have been given the exact same (fictitious - any other kind?) psychic reading or horoscope and then were asked to rate accuracy. Usually it is around 90% showing that while memories may be different, the human psyche is wired about the same. We all have roughly the same hopes dreams and fears.


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Re: Objective reality. [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7569056 - 10/28/07 07:54 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

We all have roughly the same hopes dreams and fears.


Mixed with an equal amount of non-rational thought.:monkeydance:


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Re: Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
    #7569122 - 10/28/07 08:30 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

that is a compassionate observation


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Re: Objective reality. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #7569190 - 10/28/07 09:15 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

So exactly what are you saying here? Spreech plainly pleeze.


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Re: Objective reality. [Re: Icelander]
    #7569436 - 10/28/07 11:10 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

your insight reveals others as equal,
you empathize with them
and the solutions you seek for yourself are to be shared as well.
I think that rates well as compassion;

always plainly do I speak/write


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