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Humans devolving in modern culture
    #7569063 - 10/28/07 07:58 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If anything. It seems humans stay in immaturity longer and longer. Living with an off parents often into late 20s and even thirties and acting as if they are incapable of thinking rationally most of their lives. :monkeydance: It's pathetic.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569080 - 10/28/07 08:09 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:lol: Slow Sunday morning?

What does people living with their parents have to do with humans devolving?  In some societies people live with their parents their whole lives.  So what?  You're just making a value judgement based on your culturally conditioned understanding of how humans should behave. 

immaturity does not equate with devolution
living at home does not equate with being irrational

So.... I don't get it! :confused:


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to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
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at the crucial moments I’ll recover
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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Lion]
    #7569128 - 10/28/07 08:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

:lol: Actually I made this post in a hurry as I'm not at home.

Human adolescence is extended further and further and so children stay home longer and longer because they have difficulty making it on their own emotionally and economically. This modern culture is not tribal and so adults have left home traditionally to start their own family etc.

Of course everything I say is subjective so is unnecessary to say that my opinions are culturally conditioned because I have acknowledged this over and over here. Although you might have to think about the fact that this opinion is not the culturally approved one most likely. 

Here's a good example and not an uncommon one anymore. I have a close friend who's ex husband and father of her children will not pay child support and cannot hold a job and so is still allowed to live at home off Mommy and Daddy. He has a college degree but the emotional strength and maturity less then his 7 year old son.

Of course the idea of d-evolution is not a correct term but that term is bandied about here for all sorts of inappropriate reasons such as "spiritual evolution" and I never heard you complain then so I figured it would go over here.


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Edited by Icelander (10/28/07 08:36 AM)


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569148 - 10/28/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I see what you're saying, when you put it that way. In most cultures where humans lived at home for long times in other parts of the world, they were doing hard labor before they hit double digits in age.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Lion]
    #7569150 - 10/28/07 08:44 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Evolution and devolution... who the hell knows what those words mean. Not me.


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Lion]
    #7569162 - 10/28/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

As far as I know the term evolution only applies to physical changes in a species for the purpose of adaption within the physical environment for the purpose of survival of the species.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Lion]
    #7569163 - 10/28/07 08:55 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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bug said:
Evolution and devolution... who the hell knows what those words mean. Not me.



Evo forward, Devo backward. And i think we need to devolve or at least be put in a situation where we need to revert back to survival instincts. It would be good for those blackberry addicted desk jockeys.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569166 - 10/28/07 08:56 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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As far as I know the term evolution only applies to physical changes in a species for the purpose of adaption within the physical environment for the purpose of survival of the species.



Considering we are the only creatures that think spiritually, i think that should be recognized in it's own field of evolution.


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Man is timid and apologetic; he is no longer upright; he dares not say "I think," "I am," but quotes some saint or sage. He is ashamed before the blade of grass or the blowing rose.Man postpones or remembers; he does not live in the present, but with reverted eye laments the past, or, heedless of the riches that surround him, stands on tiptoe to foresee the future. He cannot be happy and strong until he too lives with nature in the present, above time
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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7569186 - 10/28/07 09:13 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Considering we are the only creatures that think spiritually,

assumption on you're part.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569347 - 10/28/07 10:21 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i think adolencence is prolonged because youth have no clear transistional expirience into adulthood. at least males of our society dont. graduating high school or college dosent make someone an adult.


Edited by Archemetis (10/28/07 10:24 AM)


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Archemetis]
    #7569379 - 10/28/07 10:39 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

What good would a "transitional experience" do if a child is raised to think that they are not responsible for their actions?  :confused:  Those who indulge in a prolonged adolescence have a well-cultivated sense of entitlement and victimhood--"poor me, life is so very difficult to navigate!"  Their parents bail them out of every negative consequence they would otherwise learn from, and tell them that it is not their fault. 

What children need are many, many, many transitional experiences into adulthood, over the course of their 18 years living at home.  They need a little room to get into trouble, and then a talk about why they got into trouble, and what they could do differently next time.  They need to clean some toilets, face people whom they have wronged, work for the extra money they receive, and be taught by word and deed that they are 100% responsible for the quality of their experience during their lifetime.

The coming-of-age rituals which tribal cultures use to mark the beginning of adulthood would be useless if they did not raise adults in the first place.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Veritas]
    #7569397 - 10/28/07 10:49 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I agree and have cleaned a few of those toilets.

Unfortunately I'm still immature IMO. BUT I can and do take care of myself and meet my responsibilities to others.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569407 - 10/28/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

absolutly right.

and now days it seems there are to many grown males with wounded boy syndrome to be in any possition to teach their children to be men. which stack the odds against the children


Edited by Archemetis (10/28/07 10:56 AM)


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Archemetis]
    #7569413 - 10/28/07 10:57 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Women can teach children to be men, too, as the important aspects of being a man have nothing to do with having a penis.  :shrug:


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Veritas]
    #7569428 - 10/28/07 11:05 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you may be right. but i think this is a complicated problem in our society that has many contributing factors and no easy answers.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Archemetis]
    #7569450 - 10/28/07 11:17 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Who says that what I've proposed constitute "easy answers"?  :confused:

I'm currently raising two future men amidst a culture which opposes my values.  This is a daily uphill battle, but one which I see as entirely worthwhile.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Veritas]
    #7569476 - 10/28/07 11:28 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Women can teach children to be men, too, as the important aspects of being a man have nothing to do with having a penis.




True. A woman can teach a male child how to operate a TV remote and pop open a beer.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #7569487 - 10/28/07 11:32 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You forgot "how to recline a La-Z-boy."  :wink:


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569564 - 10/28/07 01:25 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Like Jack Kerouac, Bukowski, Van Gogh or ummm maybe Stephen Hawkings? Those babies were known to not always be able to take care of themselves and spent much time in some nest. There are so many others among those I would consider evolved creatively, intellectually, emotionally or being in other ways very different from the run-of-the-mill eager working types that always get everything done and follow rules, therefore are perfectly adapted to the machine. You sound like those who criticize native Americans for being leeching fuck-ups without taking into consideration the surrounding factors contributing.

Maybe society is developing in some very "unnatural" directions, which makes it harder for some kind of people to fit in or to slave for their living. When a society and the masses are fucked up, some sort of people sometimes have a hard time adapting and surviving. Chaos (eccentricity) cannot be true to its' nature when pushed into order or boxed into squares. Or maybe people are just very different, and being aimed towards survival not always the one thing that defines a successful or "mature" human being. In a tribal society ie people would overlap eachother more.

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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Veritas]
    #7569568 - 10/28/07 01:27 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

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Women can teach children to be men, too, as the important aspects of being a man have nothing to do with having a penis.  :shrug:



 
 



Well maybe then he needed to include spoiled and immature women. That means most of them that I meet. They are taught to snag a man to take care of things. This often backfires and then they whine.

In this country most people are overweight unhealthy in debt and can't handle managing their personal and financial realities. Where were their parents?

A culture in steep decline is what I see.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: dorkus]
    #7569578 - 10/28/07 01:29 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Like Jack Kerouac, Bukowski, Van Gogh or ummm maybe Stephen Hawkings? Those babies were known to not always be able to take care of themselves and spent much time in some nest. There are so many others among those I would consider evolved creatively, intellectually, emotionally or being in other ways very different from the run-of-the-mill eager working types that always get everything done and follow rules, therefore are perfectly adapted to the machine. You sound like those who criticize native Americans for being leeching fuck-ups without taking into consideration the surrounding factors contributing.

Maybe society is developing in some very "unnatural" directions, which makes it harder for some kind of people to fit in or to slave for their living. When a society and the masses are fucked up, some sort of people sometimes have a hard time adapting and surviving. Chaos (eccentricity) cannot be true to its' nature when pushed into order or boxed into squares. Or maybe people are just very different, and being aimed towards survival not always the one thing that defines a successful or "mature" human being. In a tribal society ie people would overlap eachother more.

"Mickey Mouse ain't got no fuckin soooouuuulll!" Bukowski.




Well I'm not really against staying home if one is doing something. My post is addressing those who stay immature and have support for it.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569588 - 10/28/07 01:32 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

"Don't just do something. Sit there!" Osho :wink:


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: dorkus]
    #7569593 - 10/28/07 01:34 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Look what happened to him.:whoa::monkeydance:


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569601 - 10/28/07 01:35 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Heheh, I think he died. :P


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: dorkus]
    #7569608 - 10/28/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Pretty messed up it seems.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569609 - 10/28/07 01:36 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Yep, this culture's in decline alright.  What ever happened to the glory days of the Brady Bunch and two cars in every garage?  This country's gone straight to hell.  At least we've still got systematic oppression of minorities and large-scale war against enemies whose names we can't pronounce. :thumbup:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569615 - 10/28/07 01:38 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Like Castaneda?


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Lion]
    #7569624 - 10/28/07 01:40 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I said "steep" decline. Now that's subjective based on 54 years of observation and a study of American history. When I was 18 most of my peers left home and started taking care of themselves to some extent.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569639 - 10/28/07 01:44 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The good old days are often a product of a poor memory. Although I do see areas where people seem to be slipping(read letters sent home during the Civil War by 17-year-old farm boys and compare that the average literacy level of people today), I also think there is great progress. I think in many areas we've become much more self-aware. People now are coming to understand how the ecosystem works, and how their lifestyle affects other people on the other side of the globe. There is of course a large section of humanity that does not seem to be at this cutting edge of human understanding, but as a wise man once said, "Twas ever thus."


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569644 - 10/28/07 01:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

And now they're all grown up and look at the fine job they've done preparing the next generations for the real world. :thumbdown:


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“Strengthened by contemplation and study,
I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Silversoul]
    #7569657 - 10/28/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

All true. Maybe the best are getting better and the slackers are getting slacker? Unfortunately because of the imbalance of one to the other along with population growth the slackers are crowding the streets.

I know this seems a negative take on humanity but it is how I see and feel things. When I get my addictions to having things be different out of the way I know for sure none of this matters a bit.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7569658 - 10/28/07 01:49 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i could watch fish flop in samadhi all day


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Lion]
    #7569666 - 10/28/07 01:50 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

The decline started long ago it seems. Entropy reigns supreme.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Cherk]
    #7569716 - 10/28/07 02:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I watch my room mate eat food, the sounds he makes, like a garbage disposal,
simple chubby man, like a grownup stuck in a childrens cartoon the way his body moved, a simple barny friendly to kids and backstabbing to sinners, purple dinosaur and perfume shit

after watching that
I understand why the world is falling apart

surely we'll need better table manners at the peace conference

with good awareness you can watch people justify themselves with food
and even better awareness you can watch them talk to a bannana like a lover

my heart hurts, so i throw oranges at people like an angry ape


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Cherk]
    #7569727 - 10/28/07 02:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

its all just food anyways, so the demons eat everything


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Cherk]
    #7569776 - 10/28/07 02:20 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Baby food for pacifacation


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7570770 - 10/28/07 07:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Considering we are the only creatures that think spiritually,

assumption on you're part.



On earth.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7570804 - 10/28/07 08:03 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Still an assumption, though.  Every read Ishmael?  (I haven't, but I hear it's about a self-reflecting gorilla.)

And what about dolphins?  They can essentially talk to one another, they even talk about other members of their community when the others aren't around.  So who knows the extent of the way their minds function?

Also, maybe every animal lives in a more 'spiritual' state of consciousness than humans.  Wouldn't be surprising. :shrug:


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I will not fear my passions like a coward.
My body I will give to pleasures,
to diversions that I’ve dreamed of,
to the most daring erotic desires,
to the lustful impulses of my blood, without
any fear at all, for whenever I will—
and I will have the will, strengthened
as I’ll be with contemplation and study—
at the crucial moments I’ll recover
my spirit as was before: ascetic.”


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Lion]
    #7571775 - 10/29/07 03:18 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think humans are devolving. Staying at home longer, gives young adults, particularly men, the time they need to emotionally mature. Emotional maturity is only a recently required skill, for male humans.

Instead, I think several human CULTURES are moving backwards. Not all of 'em by any means... but some, including my own. Many societies have crumbled from the top down... yet humanity remains.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7571798 - 10/29/07 03:31 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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If anything. It seems humans stay in immaturity longer and longer. Living with an off parents often into late 20s and even thirties and acting as if they are incapable of thinking rationally most of their lives.




Humans are also living longer. The society humans live in becomes increasingly complex. Perhaps it simply takes more time for humans to develop mentally before venturing off into the world on their own. Perhaps your observation regarding this speaks more for evolution, than human beings devolving. :shrug:


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Rose]
    #7571809 - 10/29/07 03:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Instead, I think several human CULTURES are moving backwards. Not all of 'em by any means... but some, including my own. Many societies have crumbled from the top down... yet humanity remains.




I agree, but I think it is not a sign of these abstract human institutions moving backwards, but rather, reality moving forward. :wink:

The more power is centralized further away from the sovereign individual, the less foundation the institution has. Most governments on this planet have been centralizing power away from the individual, the United States of America a prime example, considering its foundation and framework.

The fact is, the less representative an institution is of human beings, the less it represents reality, as we are what gives the institution (abstract concepts that we adhere to mentally) existance. For example, the War on Drugs. Record labels. The corporate/media establishment with its television medium.

The more an institution does not represent human beings, the less it exists. We bypass them. We stop investing our own sovereignity into them. :smile:

We witness the death knells of societal institutions that are not capable of representing reality. Different perspectives of reality, and the institutions that are founded upon them, each view their perspective as reality. Clearly, there will be discord as these institutions continue to act as though reality conforms to their perspective. If anything can be said, it is that reality cannot be controlled. Eventually, reality will dissolve that which would attempt to contain it in order for it to survive.

We will continue to evolve. :mushroom2:


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7572030 - 10/29/07 06:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

That was a cool post :mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2:


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7572571 - 10/29/07 10:52 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Considering we are the only creatures that think spiritually,

assumption on you're part.



On earth.




Still assumption


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7572582 - 10/29/07 10:54 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

you could be right although I see little evidence of it.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: fireworks_god]
    #7572718 - 10/29/07 11:43 AM (16 years, 3 months ago)

You make some great points FG. You describe America almost perfectly.

But not all states are moving from secularism back into fundamentalism in the, "Advanced" way you describe.

That said, you described Neo-conservatism almost perfectly... and quickly.

Leo Strauss would be proud.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Icelander]
    #7572871 - 10/29/07 12:45 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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As far as I know the term evolution only applies to physical changes in a species for the purpose of adaption within the physical environment for the purpose of survival of the species.




i'm not sure our physical evolution has much to do with our survival at this point. we need to evolve socially. maybe there is a reason for all of this "devolution" you speak of.

if you're going along the path and figure out you've taken the wrong turn...you've got to back track...to continue on the journey.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: TameMe]
    #7572902 - 10/29/07 12:56 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

i haven't read the whole thread yet....

but it sounds like we're all making it seem like this "devolution" is the fault of us.

i thought nature is what determines who and what evolves. Is the world population not growing everyday? What may seem to be a step back may be a step forward.


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: Jack Albertson]
    #7573040 - 10/29/07 01:39 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Evo forward, Devo backward.






They tell us that
We lost our tails
Evolving up
From little snails
I say its all
Just wind in sails
Are we not men?
We are devo!
Were pinheads now
We are not whole
Were pinheads all
Jocko homo
Are we not men?
D-e-v-o
Monkey men all
In business suit
Teachers and critics
All dance the poot
Are we not men?
We are devo!
Are we not men?
D-e-v-o
God made man
But he used the monkey to do it
Apes in the plan
Were all here to prove it
I can walk like an ape
Talk like an ape
I can do what a monkey can do
God made man
But a monkey supplied the glue
We must repeat
O.k. lets go!


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Re: Humans devolving in modern culture [Re: TameMe]
    #7573102 - 10/29/07 02:05 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Myths of the developing world

Cool link, check it out if you haven't seen it yet.

World population is growing, in all sectors, along with the standard of living.

The problem with America in particular, is that to a large extent we no longer equate health with success. Most businesses would rather serve someone a bag of chips with no nutritional value, rather than offer someone a healthy, unprocessed food. Throughout a person's life, they need high quality protein, vegetable fat, fresh vitamins and minerals. Look at the crap public schools serve the children, the number of fast food restaurants, the menus at "nice" restaurants, the huge choice of unhealthy food and lack of healthy food at convenient stores, the unwise desire to microwave food to save a little time, and the insistence the everything be cooked and have a shelf life of almost forever, and it's easy to see why America is falling behind.

The lines between health and success have been blurred. We have low income/low health "families" that pop out babies every couple years, and healthy people who refuse to procreate because it's inconvenient to their lifestyle. It's perfectly natural, but so are population declines, civil unrest and war.

In fact, in as far as technology is able to prevent rebellion, technology is halting the progress of evolution. Technology props up bad health, and allow procreation when it would otherwise end in failure. It's not "our" fault. Each person is responsible for their own health. It's the nanny mentality that caused this problem in the first place.

We will continue to evolve, but technology isn't exactly speeding things up.


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